But in the end it was Rico who was the rat in the sinking ship. Winning some rounds doesn't make you the winner of the fight. Rico looked like the smaller, weaker man from the second half of round ten when he was buzzed and reeling right until he was stopped. He was sinking faster than the titanic...Interesting how him and his corner didn't protest the stoppage, eh? They instead chose to get the moral victory of winning some rounds and getting beat down..., not even wanting to continue to fight on, knowing Rico would get splattered had they allowed the fight to go on. The stoppage was the best thing that could have happened to Rico and his team.
You're trying to reason with the unreasonable. Haka and a few notable others have drawn a battle line and will continue their performative arguments regardless. I think people of his ilk got so emotionally invested in the prospect of Usyk losing that they still haven't processed the fact he didn't, hence all the vague allusions to conspiracies of various kinds.
Usyk had a bad night for sure, but he got out with the win. What comes next is up to him, he probably should have retired after the second Dubois fight.
Run the numbers and the percentages, Rico was 100KG at 16 years old, and 117KG in the ring. Usyk was 80KG at 20 years old and 105kg in the ring. Of the two which of the two is more likely to have taken PEDs ?
It's possible both are/were. Not sure what you think you're proving by talking about their baseline weights when the observation is about Rico's remarkable activity in combination with his mass. I know you and 786 are invested in Rico's apparent moral victory here (see, we can all insinuate bias) but irrespective of the outcome I think it's in the public interest to know if the WBC's Clean Boxing Program protocol was waived for the heavyweight title fight, don't you?
At the end of the day, you and others can claim I am some Usyk "fanboy" (I admire him but I'm too old to worship other humans) because I disagree with you but he got the win. Now I know the fallback position here is that he won because of a conspiracy, so then we circle back to you and others committing to a coherent theory about that. Or we can just call each other names like children.
This guy’s in both shock and denial. He’s got two conspiracy theory threads on the go, one saying Rico was on ped’s and the other saying that the only reason most people think Usyk was losing is because of the commentary. He’s then ironically calling anyone who disagreed with the refs stoppage a conspiracy theorist. I think he’s one of the lizard people.
People talk about PEDs all the time, it's a pretty major topic in boxing. Todd Grisham's commentary was theatrical (cringe in fact) and I disagree with Coppinger's card. I thought the official scorecards were about right.
You're just upset I called you out on referring to a nebulous "they" which you've since walked back to save face.
Although I'm not saying the fight was fixed, but it's nieve to think the "fix" happens in real time. You talk to the ref BEFORE the fight, instructing him to take the "opportunity" when it presents itself. Simple
You've misunderstood the intent of my post, it seems. I don't think there was a conspiracy, I am encouraging the conspiracists on here to flesh out their dubious theories rather than just allude to them to see if they have any substance. There would have been no need for the referee to have secret instructions before the fight on Saturday because no one thought it was going to be close - apply logic.
But again, if you think there's a possibility there was a conspiracy, flesh it out. Start by saying who was at the root of it. Part of the reason I get frustrated with conspiracists is that they rarely commit to anything specific, they want to hedge so it seems like they have knowledge with no possibility of being disproven. Oscar and Eddie regularly get accused of fixing fights, even when there's a joint promotion. Is there a bribe purse bid officiated by the Lizard People or Epstein's ghost in those situations?
https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/non-stop-boxing/32605940-usyk-got-old
Some cool conspiracy stuff in this thread regarding this fight.
That guy had to be drunk surely.:lol1:
Don Hoffman's Interface Theory of Perception (ITP) allows for the possibility the entire universe is flat but I don't think that's what that guy was going for. Doubt he's read a book since school.
Dude, did VADA do their job about Rico? Because we don't question Usyk, do we? I mean, doubting VADA is not a conspiracy if it is you who doubts them. Pathetic.
The quite obvious question I was asking was whether the Clean Boxing Program protocols were in place as they are for all other WBC title fights. There is no public information about this, which is unusual. Not sure why you think you've got a mic drop here.
Imagine how that ref must have felt witnessing that fight.
Oh so it's a one-man conspiracy now. Got it. fifth_root are you on board with this one?:lol1:
It is exactly there where I busted your conspiracy theory about VADA not doing their work. But I get it: in your eyes, it is only you who can have conspiracy theories.
Boring.
So, referring to your own claims about conspiracy is now deflecting? It hurts, I get it - your own stones falling on your head.
I responded here, keep the discussions separate. Why are you so reluctant to unpack your conspiracy theory, afraid of getting laughed at?
No, I just didn't see what you did. A lot of these vaunted right hands were glancing blows and missed. I don't know what more you want me to say, that I'm on the Usyk payroll? I think he's a greedy dumbass for even taking this fight and that he should have fought Wardley, especially given he loves the belts so much.
You know best - it must have been "The Lizard People" who did and rigged the drug testing, because no way Rico isn't on PEDs, and surely Usyk never touched anything different than top quality kvas.
The WBC have a testing protocol for anyone in their top 15 known as the Clean Boxing Program (CBP) administered by VADA. Do you not think it's in the public interest to know if it was waived for this fight?
People raised red flags about Francisco Rodriguez after his fight with Yafai and it turned out to be correct.
Dude, you are exactly smart enough to have become the subject of your own mockery: "A guy of that mass bouncing around like that for 12 rounds is an obvious red flag. No public information about drug testing protocols seems to be available which suggests that not only did the WBC sanction a 1-fight novice for the title but were prepared to waive their usual Clean Boxing Program (CBP) requirement."
Are you for the likes? I can have pity and give you one, just as I did to people who I think wrote things that make sense and aren't biased.
Stop deflecting, you are making a clear conspiracy claim so unpack it. You're behaving like 9/11 Truthers who would never commit to a single coherent theory so it could be falsified.
It was, but the thing is that, in fact, it happened after the end of the round, while Usyk was still landing, which the referee disregarded.
Given the importance of that fight and that there was only one round left, this makes the decision very questionable, and that fact itself makes it a poor decision - a fight of that magnitude requires better decision-making.
Beyond the decision itself, as there is more to the story, it was most likely only to prevent a bigger shame, considering what the scorecards were: 2 × 95:95 and 1 × 96:94 for Rico. Letting the fight go to round 12, the results would have been surely 2 × 105:103 for Usyk and 1 × 104:104. So even if Rico has won round 12, the final score would have been 2 × 114:113 for Usyk and 1 × 114:113 for Rico. The guy was cooked, as simple and obvious as that. But if the people who were behind this poor and dirty move think that they saved this bigger shame (exposing boxing for being corrupt once again and happening way too often), they were wrong, simply because the referee acted badly, and the scorecards are, however, official, and people notice all this.
Clear conspiracy claim being made by fifth_root here. Instead of disliking posts why don't you make your claim clearly. Who's behind the "dirty move" and how was it executed?
I thought he should have lost that spot just from taking that fight, but he definitely needs to be dropped from the top now.
Do you think he's regretting not taking the Wardley fight now? His ex-manager Krassyuk claimed it didn't make business sense, a position I didn't fully understand. Was the logic that it was such a smaller fight than Dubois 2 that he was compromising future bargaining power?
They literally had to stop the fight at 3.02 of the 11th round to save Usyk.
This is the kind of post I was referencing with my OP. Who is the "they" here, can anyone answer? Did the referee have a hidden earpiece as part of the conspiracy?
idiots watching boxing think usyk knocking down rico in the 11th round and the ref stopping the fight after the bell in the 11th was the save usyk
I noticed that post, who does 786 mean by "they", also? Perhaps he can answer in my thread here.
Even Alex Krassyuk only had Usyk winning 3 rounds, is he a theatrical American too?
Give it up. This is a horrible take.
Usyk's ex-manager? Why would he be an authority on scoring and less susceptible to being governed by emotions?
Look at this Edgelord trying to be a drama queen and blame Americans.
You do realize social media is worldwide, right? Almost everyone was outraged by the stoppage and Rico not getting a chance to finish, it had nothing to do with your butthurt over the USA.
A small but loud minority of emotional imbeciles on social media is not "everyone". "Sparked outrage" is one of the most overused terms in the social media age.
Most normal people who either use it minimally or not at all will have just shrugged and got on with their lives. Like with most other things.
Todd Grisham was a WWE commentator for years.
For what it's worth, I had Rico way ahead and I think the majority did also.
Must be a perception thing. I watched live and was getting irritated because the commentary seemed obviously to be pushing a narrative that just wasn't happening. The official scorecards seemed about right. But of course, to many on here, the officials were bought off/somehow manipulated in real time for some unknown reason.
I don't know who the lizard people are. I usually turn off the sound when the Brits comment. The barry guy is difficult to understand being Welsh, the Darrem guy is always along about "the variations", Mauro Ranallo screams. Manning and Mora argue. I like Gabe Rosado, Algieri and Paulie.
It's a satirical reference to a conspiracy theory promoted by David Icke.
rico has trained with notorious drug cheat overeem whos been busted numerous times
if usyk didnt demand peds testings its on him lol
the guys physique was unusual and his stamina very good
not proof of cheating by any means but testing would be needed
If there's a rematch then random testing should be in place from the moment contracts are signed.
Elaborate
Apologies, I was confusing you with this guy: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/non-stop-boxing/32227553-when-fury-ko-s-the-inbred-ukrainian-what-will-this-forum-say#post32227553
Rico was 100Kg when he was 16 years of age, Usyk was 80kg when he was 20 years of age (Porter)
What's your point? You've written some truly unhinged things about Usyk on here (not all of us have forgotten).
Here we go now with a new lame excuse
Usyk fanboys can't get over the fact that a 1-0 kickboxer outboxed their hero for 8 rounds
Yeah, anyone who disagrees with you is a "fanboy" whereas your opinion is pure, objective rationalism.
Tiny good men
Not stiff robotic euro bums like AJ and DDD who are basic asf
Your sole purpose for logging on to this website is to abuse boxers. You must be a really successful guy, what do you do?
Peter Fury has done a good job rehabilitating his image as the nice Fury (compared with brother John). But he has serious drug convictions (amphetamines) and, of course, was Tyson's lead trainer when he failed tests.