Theatrical American commentary is half the 'controversy' here

You've misunderstood the intent of my post, it seems. I don't think there was a conspiracy, I am encouraging the conspiracists on here to flesh out their dubious theories rather than just allude to them to see if they have any substance. There would have been no need for the referee to have secret instructions before the fight on Saturday because no one thought it was going to be close - apply logic. But again, if you think there's a possibility there was a conspiracy, flesh it out. Start by saying who was at the root of it. Part of the reason I get frustrated with conspiracists is that they rarely commit to anything specific, they want to hedge so it seems like they have knowledge with no possibility of being disproven. Oscar and Eddie regularly get accused of fixing fights, even when there's a joint promotion. Is there a bribe purse bid officiated by the Lizard People or Epstein's ghost in those situations? You don’t think there was a conspiracy?! :lol1: You’re the lead conspiracy theorist on this matter. You have a thread accusing Rico of ped’s, a thread blaming commentators of hypnotizing the vast majority of people into thinking Usyk was losing the fight. Some mafia involvement bullshit. You said, if you ever use the word “they” it makes you a conspiracy theorist, yet here you are abusing the word and not realizing the irony. Stop being a fanboy and get over it. Fanboy.

Although I'm not saying the fight was fixed, but it's nieve to think the "fix" happens in real time. You talk to the ref BEFORE the fight, instructing him to take the "opportunity" when it presents itself. Simple You've misunderstood the intent of my post, it seems. I don't think there was a conspiracy, I am encouraging the conspiracists on here to flesh out their dubious theories rather than just allude to them to see if they have any substance. There would have been no need for the referee to have secret instructions before the fight on Saturday because no one thought it was going to be close - apply logic. But again, if you think there's a possibility there was a conspiracy, flesh it out. Start by saying who was at the root of it. Part of the reason I get frustrated with conspiracists is that they rarely commit to anything specific, they want to hedge so it seems like they have knowledge with no possibility of being disproven. Oscar and Eddie regularly get accused of fixing fights, even when there's a joint promotion. Is there a bribe purse bid officiated by the Lizard People or Epstein's ghost in those situations?

Although I'm not saying the fight was fixed, but it's nieve to think the "fix" happens in real time. You talk to the ref BEFORE the fight, instructing him to take the "opportunity" when it presents itself. Simple you dont even have to talk to him. its implicit in most cases. like when the nectarine nero hires someone, its implicit that you are going to cover up his sex trafficking, other crimes, and commit new crimes otherwise you wouldnt have been hired and otherwise you will be fired and disparaged. a great system

Although I'm not saying the fight was fixed, but it's nieve to think the "fix" happens in real time. You talk to the ref BEFORE the fight, instructing him to take the "opportunity" when it presents itself. Simple

There’s no conspiracy, the scorecards were off and the stoppage was awful. By “they” I mean the officials, whether there was a bias or not it doesn’t matter, they got it wrong. I know you’re upset that Usyk was losing to a kickboxer and all of this “it was the commentary…” and other theories you’re using to cope makes this thread very ironic. Those damn lizard commentators must’ve hypnotized the majority of people to think that Usyk was losing. How dare they!

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/non-stop-boxing/32605940-usyk-got-old Some cool conspiracy stuff in this thread regarding this fight. That guy had to be drunk surely.:lol1: Don Hoffman's Interface Theory of Perception (ITP) allows for the possibility the entire universe is flat but I don't think that's what that guy was going for. Doubt he's read a book since school.

I responded here, keep the discussions separate. Why are you so reluctant to unpack your conspiracy theory, afraid of getting laughed at? https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/boxing-forums/non-stop-boxing/32605940-usyk-got-old Some cool conspiracy stuff in this thread regarding this fight.

It is exactly there where I busted your conspiracy theory about VADA not doing their work. But I get it: in your eyes, it is only you who can have conspiracy theories. Boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g5HumL-drY Even this question post fight was such a loaded question "did you think going into the round you needed a knockout to win?" already the assumption by the reporter is usyk was thinking he was losing?? thats like elon musk said recently in trial, a lawyer asking "will you stop beating your kids?" yes, you will or no, you won't? :D

I responded here, keep the discussions separate. Why are you so reluctant to unpack your conspiracy theory, afraid of getting laughed at? It is exactly there where I busted your conspiracy theory about VADA not doing their work. But I get it: in your eyes, it is only you who can have conspiracy theories.

So, referring to your own claims about conspiracy is now deflecting? It hurts, I get it - your own stones falling on your head. I responded here, keep the discussions separate. Why are you so reluctant to unpack your conspiracy theory, afraid of getting laughed at?

So, referring to your own claims about conspiracy is now deflecting? It hurts, I get it - your own stones falling on your head.

Dude, you are exactly smart enough to have become the subject of your own mockery: "A guy of that mass bouncing around like that for 12 rounds is an obvious red flag. No public information about drug testing protocols seems to be available which suggests that not only did the WBC sanction a 1-fight novice for the title but were prepared to waive their usual Clean Boxing Program (CBP) requirement." Are you for the likes? I can have pity and give you one, just as I did to people who I think wrote things that make sense and aren't biased. Stop deflecting, you are making a clear conspiracy claim so unpack it. You're behaving like 9/11 Truthers who would never commit to a single coherent theory so it could be falsified.

Clear conspiracy claim being made by fifth_root here. Instead of disliking posts why don't you make your claim clearly. Who's behind the "dirty move" and how was it executed? Dude, you are exactly smart enough to have become the subject of your own mockery: "A guy of that mass bouncing around like that for 12 rounds is an obvious red flag. No public information about drug testing protocols seems to be available which suggests that not only did the WBC sanction a 1-fight novice for the title but were prepared to waive their usual Clean Boxing Program (CBP) requirement." Are you for the likes? I can have pity and give you one, just as I did to people who I think wrote things that make sense and aren't biased.

It was, but the thing is that, in fact, it happened after the end of the round, while Usyk was still landing, which the referee disregarded. Given the importance of that fight and that there was only one round left, this makes the decision very questionable, and that fact itself makes it a poor decision - a fight of that magnitude requires better decision-making. Beyond the decision itself, as there is more to the story, it was most likely only to prevent a bigger shame, considering what the scorecards were: 2 × 95:95 and 1 × 96:94 for Rico. Letting the fight go to round 12, the results would have been surely 2 × 105:103 for Usyk and 1 × 104:104. So even if Rico has won round 12, the final score would have been 2 × 114:113 for Usyk and 1 × 114:113 for Rico. The guy was cooked, as simple and obvious as that. But if the people who were behind this poor and dirty move think that they saved this bigger shame (exposing boxing for being corrupt once again and happening way too often), they were wrong, simply because the referee acted badly, and the scorecards are, however, official, and people notice all this. Clear conspiracy claim being made by fifth_root here. Instead of disliking posts why don't you make your claim clearly. Who's behind the "dirty move" and how was it executed?

Must be a perception thing. I watched live and was getting irritated because the commentary seemed obviously to be pushing a narrative that just wasn't happening. The official scorecards seemed about right. But of course, to many on here, the officials were bought off/somehow manipulated in real time for some unknown reason. We all have a few fights that were considered controversial by the masses but we feel are correct. I watched Bradley Pacquiao I at a bar that didnt have the announcers playing (so I was not swung by their opinion). I had Bradley winning. Watched it a few times since and atill feel the same way. As long as you can defend your opinion with actual evidence, as opposed to just biases or logical fallacies and deflections then all good

They literally had to stop the fight at 3.02 of the 11th round to save Usyk. This is the kind of post I was referencing with my OP. Who is the "they" here, can anyone answer? Did the referee have a hidden earpiece as part of the conspiracy?

I really struggle to see an even scorecard going into the 11th. I agree there were quite a few close rounds but I think Rico was doing the better work in almost all of them. I had it 7-3 Rico going into the 11th. I don't score fights but I thought Usyk won max 3 rounds.

I really struggle to see an even scorecard going into the 11th. I agree there were quite a few close rounds but I think Rico was doing the better work in almost all of them. I had it 7-3 Rico going into the 11th. I don't score fights but I thought Usyk won max 3 rounds.

Even Alex Krassyuk only had Usyk winning 3 rounds, is he a theatrical American too? Give it up. This is a horrible take. Usyk's ex-manager? Why would he be an authority on scoring and less susceptible to being governed by emotions?