He is over rated.Great boxers don't avoid & hide from fighting other great fighters for 7 years.If he was so great & confident in his skills fight Pacquaio when he was still great & had all his skills.When he does fight good boxers when they are still young they are always very close fights or he is given a gift decision.His first fight against Castillo till this day have not met a person or other boxing fan who think Floyd won that fight.The 2 fights with Maidana & cotto were very close fights.Had he fought a young Mosley or Oscar I think he loses.When he beat Mosley who was 39 at the time & seriously hurt Floyd in the second round of that fight,take 8 years off Mosley & he beats Floyd.After 8 rounds against a 35 year old Oscar the fight was even the older Oscar lost steam for the last 4 rounds against the much younger Floyd.The one really great thing Floyd is its fooling the boxing public.You have true boxing fans than you have Floyd fans,the true boxing fans who watch all boxing fights & have been doing so for a long long time know the difference.Floyd fans who only watch Floyd fights are the ones that are fooled.In Robinson's first 129 fights he lost just 1 fight & accomplished that at 147 & 160 weight divisions against the best boxers of the time & didn't hide from anyone,this is what greatness in boxing looks like.I will say it again it is hard to judge Floyd because of his opponents he has fought through out his career against boxers he could have fought when they were in their prime rather than wait to fight them until they are ready to collect social security.All great fighters lose because all great fighters want to fight other great fighters to prove themselves.Floyd does everything he can to avoid them Floyd could have fought Pacquaio after Pacquaio KO Hatton with 1 punch end of 2nd rd but believe after Floyd saw that ko he did everything to not fight him.Imagine Leonard avoiding Hearns for 7 years after seeing Hearns Ko an opponent (as he did alot) as Leonard said that was the biggest fight of his career & he fought the elite like Hagler & Duran.If i was in charge of listing ring magazines top 100 P4P greats i would put Floyd anywhere from 45th to 55th greatest boxer,there are just to many more proven boxers over the last 120 years.
If Pac was clean he would not have refused the tests and the fight would have happened.
I have no problem with Floyd refusing to fight PED users.
Floyd's career looks nothing like Robinson's, but he didn't fight in that era.
When I look at Floyd's career, from 130 to 154 with the guys he's fought, no one else from his era would have that record.
He's the the greatest from his era.
Actually Stevenson when he was on HBO agreed to fight kovalev but then he hired haymon and fled to showtime to fight nothing but bums for 5 straight years while ducking everyone else like Hopkins and pascal who both fought kovalev. Kinda weird huh?
They never agreed to a fight on showtime, a purse bid was ordered by wbc but duva pulled out cause she knew haymon would win and kovalev had an HBO contract so wouldn't be able to fight there. They offered Stevenson the same 50 50 split as the purse bid but Stevenson refused to accept that. No fight.
Stevenson left because HBO didn't give him a long term deal like they did Kovalev and others.
Purse bids are meant to at least try to settle these types of contractual stalemates.
If Duva had won the purse bid, would Stevenson have gone to HBO for the fight? I don't see why not because it would be big money.
Duva said it her way (HBO) or the highway (no fight). So Kovalev is really the one who ducked Stevenson, not the other way around.
Tank has already fought at 140 before. By Tank refusing to fight Ryan Garcia at 140 doesn't that seem to make it like he's apprehensive of the size difference?
I mean... why would it be at 140?
There was a poll recently on boxing scene and SRL and Pac were tied as to who was the greater. FLoyd wouldnt be in that class. If Pac wasnt floyds best win, then people might be inclined to take Floyd a little more serious. Again, floyd has all the skills in the world but his reluctance to showcase those skills against people he wasnt supposed to beat will always hold floyd back. Nobody can say Floyd did things he wasnt supposed to.
Yes, beating Pac was good, but Floyd is supposed to beat someone who started 3 divisions lower and with 24 more fights under belt. THe nelo win was good, but floyds supposed to beat a green kid with potential who was drained, and who after beating the kid, nobody knew what would become of Nelo whether he was a flash in the pan, hypejob (who wasnt really a hypejob, as nobody was saying Nelo was special rather relatively unknown quantity) who was going to dissapear like so many of the fighters floyd fought.
Do you know why Floyd is "supposed" to beat everyone?
Please man Floyd only fought slow, flat footed, come forward short armed fighters that he could look good against. They may have weighed a few pounds more but that made them even slower.
None of those guys are top tier anything all time great thats why you have to make a big deal about Hagler moving up.
Hagler is an all time great fighting prime all time greats. Floyd is fighting paper champs who you can't remember two months after the fight is over its a big difference.
So thats a no on fighting guys bigger then him?
Ok cool.
Now who are those prime all time greats he fought?
Dude Hagler was not the biggest mw. 5' 8" 160 with same day weigh in isn't the biggest mw by a longshot. GGG and Hagler in person took a picture GGG makes Hagler look like a midget. Hagler fought guys taller with longer reach his whole career hell even Hearns was taller longer and probably weighed more by the opening bell. Hell Hopkins was 6' 1" and entered boxing as a lightheavyweight.
If you don't know what prime all time greats he fought you need to seriously gtfoh.
Dude just face it. This thread is about Floyd not Hagler. Hagler's legacy stands on its own merit.
Floyd was good when he was Pretty Boy he was taking on all comers but after Hatton he cherrypicked to the point where his respect factor went into the toilet. Then if that wasn't bad enough he became the main event at Ringling Bros. sideshow circus ready to buckdance for a couple of million bucks for your entertainment.
Thats why they keep making these threads because they been forgot about his opponents you worried that people have already forgotten him as well.
So thats a no on these prime all time greats as well?
From all the boxers Ive seen fight myself, so not on a grainy youtube video, Floyd is the best in 3 categories.
Best defensive fighter, best counter puncher, and the best technical fighter. I hope people understand how hard it is to master your craft at that level.
No
and its a fact Floyd has none
So he never fought bigger opponents and never fought prime all time greats.
Sadly it doesnt sound like he challenged himself much.
He was undisputed mw champ for like an eternity and successfully defended all the belts 12x that should speak for itself.
Everybody was obliged to come up or down for that work.
After he lost to Srl he felt he was robbed, Srl welched on the rematch, and he retired.
Hagler left the sport on top what sense would it make to move up two weight classes and fight a guy who don't bring half the $ and prestige Srl did. .
Did that sink in yet his final fight he is fighting Srl a bona-fide top 10 all time great Spink was good but don't come close to that, and who did Floyd fight on his final fight a washed up career c fighter in Andre Berto who is lucky he cracks top 50 all time at any weight. The difference is night and day thats why Floyd don't get much respect.
Even Hagler gave Floyd the thumbs down:
They say Floyd Mayweather vs Andre Berto will be free on CBS. Man they should PAY US to watch this mismatch! What an extremely bad fight.
— Marvin Hagler (@MarvinHagIer) July 24, 2015
Yeah fighting bigger guys isnt for everyone.
Respect.
He fought his share of fighters who had height and reach on him. Speedy guys boxer they all got that work
Floyd did his best to avoid guys like that unless they were over the hill
Did he fight guys bigger then him?
Im just asking because Floyd did that regularly.
And as you said... they all got that work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVu-Pbo5oZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Z_GcY2xLs
Watch when Bivol all of a sudden forgets how to fight. Mark my words. These guys are huge. He can walk down these guys but can't stop a burned-out Angulo and shot Chavez Jr. Mark my words.
He's got talent, fast hand and flashy combos, but damn he sits down on all his punches, including the jab. Dude cant throw on the move at all. And doesnt protect himself when he throws. He is about to get countered into tomorrow.
The fight's gonna happen.
Not saying he was the problem before, but Crawford is a free agent looking for the biggest fights.
This is the biggest fight for him. No other fight comes close.
Whatta you mean on the move? Canelo has flat feet and short arms on a 5'7 frame. It's not like he has to do a 360 to find Canelo.
If you cant throw on the move, or protect yourself when you throw, it just makes you a stationary target. Bivol sits down in his stance every time he pops off. Canelo is too good of a counter puncher, he will pick him off with shots Bivol wont see coming.
Start reading the thread they are not even discussing but directly shytting it up without arguments.
Come on man, the premise is bull and you know it. Wouldnt we all be better off talking about the upcoming fights?
Not this again. There has to be more to talk about in 2022 than anti Floyd ridiculousness.
Imagine being someone like Spence, Crawford or Tank, trying to make a name for yourself but all everyone wants to talk about is Floyd.
Both involve Thomas Hearns for me. Hearns vs Cuevas. Hearns vs Duran.
I dont understand how Duran didnt call it a career after taking that shot. They werent human back then.
Because first off Manny had as much bargaining power as Floyd at that time. He wasn't somebody that Floyd could bully around with all the Bush league, a side shenanigans. ost's was unheard of in boxing, wasn't mandatory back then, and frankly, Manny wasn't required to do it. It was strictly a bogus agenda Floyd was trying to push with no hard evidence. Despite that, Manny agreed to random blood tests with a cutoff date that Floyd had a problem with, and wasn't willing to negotiate.
Its as many people that believe Floyd threw it in there as a means to avoid the fight as it is people who felt Manny was at fault so of course Floyd boys who hate that Manny is a stand up guy who stands on principle should be down to get butt fu'cked.
Lets throw fandom aside. As a real person I have to ask myself, how much of an ask is a random blood test? Its still just blood tests. How does it become a big deal? How does it become bullying the b-side?
To me, I think asking for a bigger ring would be a bigger deal. Or even dictating gloves. Or asking for more money. Blood tests? Shouldnt be an issue.
Remember that Floyd agreed to Manny's bogus demand of 10 million per lb over the limit?
Why cant we all just admit that Manny should have yes to the tests way back then? The same way he said yes to those exact same tests when they did eventually fight? And no, those tests didnt affect him in any way. So he was wrong for refusing this whole time.
Did you read anything I said ost's wasn't mandatory back then.
Floyd had to agree to the weight penalty because he had just welched lightweight Marquez on the scales. He was actually caught in his own bs so if he refused he would look super suspect.
Plus Manny agreed to blood test it was Floyd who had the issue with the cutoff date, then as the years rolled by as Manny agreed to shorter cutoff dates Floyd would move the goal posts. Floyd ain't want it.
Only a Floyd boy would look at that and still say Manny was dirty and he outright refused to blood test when its a fact he did not.
I did read what you said. Did Manny agree to the exact same tests in 2015 that were offered in 2010 and did those tests hinder his performance?
Can you answer those questions honestly please?
Better watch it again you might need a few times to sink in that Manny did not want testing and every lame pathetic excuse vaporized when he wanted his opponents to take the very test he is trying to manipulate, no cut offs, random and all of a sudden Manny doesn't feel weak anymore lol.
Fck Id hate to be as delusional as you, If I had a dog as useless I would cap him.
Type into Google Manny refuses testing t and see what you come up with, there are 3 million hits.
Manny could never keep his story straight. If boxing had worthwhile media coverage the reporters would laugh him out of the room with fear of blood tests.
Manny was never going to beat Mayweather outside of a lucky punch. Some people didn't want to believe that we all saw it in 2015.
Its pretty comical actually. But Im not even getting who's my favorite boxer, Im just saying OSDT was and still is no big deal, as it doesnt even give any fighter an advantage. Imagine turning down the biggest fight ever because you are scared of a random blood test. SMH. Objectively it is not defendable.