Nothing you said refutes this statement: “Mayweather’s win over Pacquaio is greater than any victory Hearns had at 147, including Cuevas.“
Not at the time that the fight took place.
What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, .
...anything to save your crush from danger....
....so now floyd is a 130 lb fighter as well you mean he don't ballon up to 150 after the weigh in....i mean, he do fight at welterweight don't he...
I know this thread is done, but I have to ask. Does anybody think Shane who used to take PEDS hits harder than Hearns who to my knowledge, never took? Or at least wasnt busted for taking it?
no. Shane's best power display was at 135. He had some pop at 147, but not like 135.
I know this thread is done, but I have to ask. Does anybody think Shane who used to take PEDS hits harder than Hearns who to my knowledge, never took? Or at least wasnt busted for taking it?
Floyd was a great fighter but his resume is terrible. Virtually no prime undefeated fighters without weight stipulations. He gets bodied by Hearns, Duran and Sugar.
What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, he do the same to Manny probably quicker, but its fantasy tell me what is the result if Hearns cannot land a KO shot, could Mayweather use his faster more angle feet movements, could Mayweather out think Tommy out move Tommy, Its a very different fight IF Hearns couldnt land his best shots.
And its because of this I wouldnt bet on the fight anything other that little for fun, I may think Tommy wins but I wouldnt bet on it, and it makes me laugh how matter of fact fans think it is, if they were ring side and had there house on it they would be shting bricks.
Flush on a guy from 130?are you talking about Duran who started his career at 135 & is considered to have one of the best chins of all time.It is not just that Hearns is considered the hardest WW puncher of all time he had great skills,just ask Leonard.Leonard said he couldn't get away from Hearns quick jab & when it did land it was like a sledge hammer.Hearns was 32 0 0 30 KO when he fought Leonard but Leonard proved that night what a great chin he had.Leonard was also a true 147 wealter at 5'10.Floyd at best was 140 pounder.A 39 year old Mosley right hand hurt Floyd badly in the second round of their fight not once but twice,but at 39 just didn't have the reflexes,endurance or heart to finish up.What do you think Hearns would have done.It is very hard to defend against some one who stands 5 inches taller than you with an 8 inch reach advantage over you,with quick reflexes & power in both hands.I was a big Hagler fan & saw a good 28 of his fights & only saw one fighter rock Hagler & that was against Hearns & that is 2 division ups from 147 against one of the greatest middle weights of all time.Like i said Floyd would have had a way better chance against Leonard,Duran,Arguello.I think Leonard would win decision over Floyd.I think Floyd wins decision over Duran & Arguello but could be wrong.Even if floyd fought in the leonard era we would still be wondering if he would have beat these guys because i think he would have avoided these guys as well especially Hearns.
Mosley right hand buckled Floyds knees twice Hearns right hand (the hardest ww puncher of all time) would have put him to sleep like he did to Duran.It is hard to defend against Hearns because of his quick reflexes,long long reach,great jab & when you are 6'1 against 5'8 & the punches are coming from way up there Floyd done.
What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, he do the same to Manny probably quicker, but its fantasy tell me what is the result if Hearns cannot land a KO shot, could Mayweather use his faster more angle feet movements, could Mayweather out think Tommy out move Tommy, Its a very different fight IF Hearns couldnt land his best shots.
And its because of this I wouldnt bet on the fight anything other that little for fun, I may think Tommy wins but I wouldnt bet on it, and it makes me laugh how matter of fact fans think it is, if they were ring side and had there house on it they would be shting bricks.
reach isn't the end all be all that people say it is
It isn't just the reach Hearns would have had over Floyd it's height,quick reflexes but most important devastating punching power in that right hand.Mosley rocked Mayweather with his right hand & he was 39 years old.Hearns right hand would have knocked Floyd out just like he did with the legendary Duran.Floyd avoided boxer-punchers like the Plague.
Hearns kos Mayweather..........................Rockin':boxing:
easily,it's a mismatch.Hearns would have just been to big,fast but mainly it would have been his punching power.It is hard to judge how good Floyd was because he could have fought 5-6 really good boxers in their prime but chose not to.From the good fighters he did fight in their prime the first with Castillo everyone i talk with think Castillo won their first fight but Floyd did win the rematch.Cotto was very close & first fight with Maidana very close as well.How would he have done against a classic boxer light Leonard who had good punching power (nothing compared to Hearns) & very fast hands.There is no question that Floyd never fought the type of Class of Hearns & Leonard so it is hard to tell how good he was.I actually think he would have defeated my Idol Arguello by decision that is only because of Arguello style.Duran ?? Pryor would have over whelmed Floyd late in the fight.Floyd likes to say he is P4P the greatest even better than Robinson because he went 50 fights without losing.That really got to me.Robinson went 93 fights without losing & just 1 loss in his first 129 fights.He moved up to middle weight from 147 when he was 29 years old & would go on to win the middle weight belt a record 5 times & at a time when there was only 1 belt for each division not like 4 belts today.Robinson is the reason the term P4P was invented.Am not sure how good Floyd could have been had he fought the best of his era but do know Robinson was in a class of his own .Ali was bar none the greatest HW all time while Robinson was P4P the greatest.I would put Floyd in the top 40 because he did go undefeated in his 50 fights & fought some good brawlers,but just to many more deserving & proven greats over the last 120 years of boxing for the top 30.
Brook, Spence, and THurman were the fights to make. THey were better oppoents than Berto, Maidana etc etc. If Pac can fight thurman and Spence why cant floyd? THey were toughest available, although Thurman and Brook wont be ATGs anytime soon, so why cant floyd fight them?. So no reason to not fight them. If you want to be beating Hearns in fantasy fights, you need guys like thurman and Brook on your resume.
So what we care seeing with floyd is he dont fight ATG in lrime, plus he don't fight even very good opponents in prime.
I agree in my day the best fought the best Hearns,Leonard,Arguello,Pryor,Duran,Hagler,Chavez,Sanchez e.t.c These fighters i listed all are considered all time Greats & all eventually had losses on their record & that is because all fought each other & other Greats Mayweather is nothing special he just didn't fight the best when they were in their prime.He had fought Pacquaio in his prime he could have a loss on his record.Same for a young Mosley who was 39 when he fought Floyd & Oscar was 35.With the exception of the retarded 3 Judges everyone i have talked to who saw the first Floyd vs Castillo fight had Castillo winning as did Copy box numbers who had Castillo landing 203 of his punches to Floyds 157 punches.Castillo landed 40% of his punches to Floyds 35%.Castillo was coming forward 90% of the fight.As far as I am concern Floyd was given a gift that night.
Hearns wins it out. Bigger, longer, stronger. Theres a reason FMJ didnt fight PWill. Hearns is way better than PWill ever was.
Mosley right hand buckled Floyds knees twice Hearns right hand (the hardest ww puncher of all time) would have put him to sleep like he did to Duran.It is hard to defend against Hearns because of his quick reflexes,long long reach,great jab & when you are 6'1 against 5'8 & the punches are coming from way up there Floyd done.
Brook, Spence, and THurman were the fights to make. THey were better oppoents than Berto, Maidana etc etc. If Pac can fight thurman and Spence why cant floyd? THey were toughest available, although Thurman and Brook wont be ATGs anytime soon, so why cant floyd fight them?. So no reason to not fight them. If you want to be beating Hearns in fantasy fights, you need guys like thurman and Brook on your resume.
So what we care seeing with floyd is he dont fight ATG in lrime, plus he don't fight even very good opponents in prime.
They should have fought in their prime this is the only way to see who is the real best.At 36 Pacquaio had lost a lot of his talent.Floyd knew this to & the reason he final agreed to it after 6 years of bitching.
May is only 2 years younger than Mosley.
A younger Mosley would have been fighting a younger May.
Don't know what kind of point you were trying to make but you failed.
Pac would have been KTFO if that right landed on him.
Pac has been KO'd by worse fighters multiple times.
He fought Mosley immediately after Mosley KILLED Margarito.
The 1 man Pac Bois bend the knee to more than Pac.
Try again pal,Mayweather is 6 years younger than Mosley.You are going to dictate to me & you can't even get their age right.Floyd did well later in Boxing because he pampered himself with easy fights.You do not know who the best fighters are when they are fighting each other at age 36 & 37 you only find out who the best is when they are in their prime & still have all their skills.When Pacquaio got Ko by Marquez (one of the greatest Mexican boxers of all time) he no longer had that side to side movement or bouncing on his feet anymore & didn't even see that punch coming.Marquez lost their first 3 fights although i had Marquez winning their 3rd fight.