Canelo should be ranked higher than FloydJr on the all timers list.

I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it. - - l'l floydy catchweight mandatory to get the Cenelo fight made. Cotto catchweight an optional financial incentive, $300K to be a single pound under his Clottey weight of 146. Had Cotto come in at 147, fight is still on. Had Canelo come in at 154, that fight is Canceled with a half dozen sparmates on retainer for l'l floydy to pick for the replacement. Never mentioned but played a huge role when Oscar forced to recuse to a celebrity drug/drunk rehab completely isolated from the rest of the world, so he could nothing to protest the heavy handed officiating by Bayless constantly interfering Canelo when not warning him. Also not mentioned that was the first of 2 consecutive Majority Decisions for l'l floydy that broke his UD streak, decisions that outside of his hometown officiating might well have been losses.

Canelo will be ranked greater than Floyd when it's all said and done. Canelo is a great fighter for sure but unless he tries a run at hwt, I just don’t see the level of competition on the horizon that will equal lopsided wins over Canelo, Pac, and JMM. Not Canelo’s fault, you can only fight who’s there.

I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it. 2 pounds is not going to make a dramatic difference, the difference was skill, technique, endurance, stamina. 2 pound does not achieve that. Alvarez was shown a different level, and could not cope. Alvarez agreed to the fight, thought he was the big man 'And was beaten easily'. That is the end of it mate.

I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto Hoorah you finally get it,, the reason for a CW is to squeeze your opponent to get a weaker version, that's right but there is more under your blanket, why I say not all CWs are equal is because the effects are not equal, Canelo had a 7lb advantage over Cotto, a 7lb bigger man on the scales, if they were both 147 guys its the same 2lb but Canelo being a weight class higher has more buffer, and you could see it in the fights themselves, as an example go lower and say a 128 CW in a 130 fight could be a huge advantage, where as a 158 CW in a MW bout would hardly matter a fck, there is more science to it but you get the picture, CWs are an individual deal, and very much is depended on the size of the fighter, like 2lb to a HW is non exist, 2 pound to a flyweight is killer, that's why Cottos CW hurt him more than Canelos hurt him, plus the style of fighter Manny heavy-handed aggressive, Floyd skill and boxing, another way to put it is that Cottos strength and resistance was in need more than what Canelo needed it, he couldn't catch Floyds feet, don't matter how strong he is when the speed is killing you.

Reread post 64 I edited it Did you get it signed by a judge?

It was anticlimactic fight, because of how one sided the fight was etc. That fight was Mayweather's last great performance. After this fight, I have always stated that he was there for the taking. ring. Lennox Lewis, George Foreman also had this same sport specific strength. Notice how Alvarez never called for the rematch, I do not remember him aggressively pursuing a rematch. He was shown a different level, and understood that he needed to retreat and work to the future. There are certain fights you have to win, certain moments in a athletes career were it is critical that they win. There is always that defining fight, that moment where greatest is so close. When Alvarez faced Mayweather, that was his moment. And the fact of the matter is? He did not win the fight. Do you know, I have no idea who Alvarez beat to become world champion for the first time? No idea, it was not a defining fight. Since the Mayweather loss, I have always believe Alvarez has been trying to slay the dragon of that loss. I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it.

This forum was full of people saying Floyd would NEVER fight Canelo It was anticlimactic fight, because of how one sided the fight was etc. That fight was Mayweather's last great performance. After this fight, I have always stated that he was there for the taking. Mayweather would of stopped Alvarez years before, although his speed, timing, processing speed was still supreme against Alvarez. His underrated physical strength was decreasing. Mayweather was never a monster puncher, but I think he was really strong physically. Natural strength, not weight lifting strength. The same kind of specific strength Tyson Fury has in the ring. Fury for his size is not really that impressive at weight lifting, but he is really strong inside the ring. Lennox Lewis, George Foreman also had this same sport specific strength. Notice how Alvarez never called for the rematch, I do not remember him aggressively pursuing a rematch. He was shown a different level, and understood that he needed to retreat and work to the future. There are certain fights you have to win, certain moments in a athletes career were it is critical that they win. Mike Tyson vs Trevor Berbick, Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston, Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns, Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko. David Haye vs Nikolai Valuev, Chris Eubank Senior vs Nigel Benn, and the list goes on. There is always that defining fight, that moment where greatest is so close. When Alvarez faced Mayweather, that was his moment. And the fact of the matter is? He did not win the fight. Do you know, I have no idea who Alvarez beat to become world champion for the first time? No idea, it was not a defining fight. Since the Mayweather loss, I have always believe Alvarez has been trying to slay the dragon of that loss.

Mannys CWs are very low credit, is that what youre saying. Reread post 64 I edited it

But it was a cw. It's hard to decide how much credit a cw win should get. Mannys CWs are very low credit, is that what youre saying.

DeJesus over Duran: "But then disaster struck and Duran risked not just the upcoming fight but also his life. Driving up a hillside in his homeland, Roberto veered off-road. The resulting injuries, while not severe, should have postponed the match. Duran suffered lacerations to his lips that required stitches as well as an elbow injury. Customary to the Duran mythos, he shrugged it off, had a few drinks, and then made the trek to America." This is part of the appeal of Duran. And it says alot about him as a man and as a fighter. Floyd has not shown it , so we cannot place them on the same statue in this regard. Horn over Manny: Horn is a natural 154lber and Manny being a natural smaller guy was also of becoming of age. You have to understand (and I think that you do) that Manny in his prime was a supercar Ferrari, levels above Canelo currently. So if there are little quirks, then it does not work that well. Then again massive props for Manny in taking that fight and by showing up fighting fire with fire against a solid 154 guy in top condition, which is the most difficult thing way to fight when you are undersized. It went over your head like a Boeing 747, put in any name of a nonfamous guy that beat an ATG , the difference here is that a ATG beat another ATG., and that changes everything historically, this is one of those things that will see unfold.

If you wanna say he wasn't the same fighter as he is today I agree. Calling someone "green" at 42-0 is a tough sell IMO. But it was a cw. It's hard to decide how much credit a cw win should get. I mean PAC stopping cotto to me is the greatest win of all time if there wasn't a cw. But with the cw it's of course taken shine off win. But I think PAC would have beat cotto anyway but maybe wouldn't have stopped him. So I consider it a tremendous win still. But trying to get advantage you should quite rightly be penelised

If you wanna say he wasn't the same fighter as he is today I agree. Calling someone "green" at 42-0 is a tough sell IMO.

The thing is it was Floyd that beat him, undefeated ATG, and Canelo is himself becoming an ATG, which changes the matrix of that match, its not just a loss like Horn over Manny or, DeJesus over Duran, whenever you beat an ATG its significant, but because of how modern day big Floyd and Canelo are, its becomes way more than that historically,. DeJesus over Duran: "But then disaster struck and Duran risked not just the upcoming fight but also his life. Driving up a hillside in his homeland, Roberto veered off-road. The resulting injuries, while not severe, should have postponed the match. Duran suffered lacerations to his lips that required stitches as well as an elbow injury. Customary to the Duran mythos, he shrugged it off, had a few drinks, and then made the trek to America." This is part of the appeal of Duran. And it says alot about him as a man and as a fighter. Floyd has not shown it , so we cannot place them on the same statue in this regard. Horn over Manny: Horn is a natural 154lber and Manny being a natural smaller guy was also of becoming of age. You have to understand (and I think that you do) that Manny in his prime was a supercar Ferrari, levels above Canelo currently. So if there are little quirks, then it does not work that well. Then again massive props for Manny in taking that fight and by showing up fighting fire with fire against a solid 154 guy in top condition, which is the most difficult thing way to fight when you are undersized.

I think so, soon we can see how those GGG experiences improved him. The thing is it was Floyd that beat him, undefeated ATG, and Canelo is himself becoming an ATG, which changes the matrix of that match, its not just a loss like Horn over Manny or, DeJesus over Duran, whenever you beat an ATG its significant, but because of how modern day big Floyd and Canelo are, its becomes way more than that historically,.

Canelo will be ranked greater than Floyd when it's all said and done. I think so, soon we can see how those GGG experiences improved him.

I can remember boxing experts, suggesting that Mayweather had bitten off more than he could chew with Alvarez. Just look how serious Doug Fischer is etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZfeAmicII This forum was full of people saying Floyd would NEVER fight Canelo

You can make your own list and put Canelo wherever you want. Still won’t change the fact 50-0 and beat Canelo. Imagine a 23yr old Floyd vs a 23yr old Canelo would’ve been a massacre. :lol1:

Canelo will be ranked greater than Floyd when it's all said and done. He can never be as Floyd will always have that win over him with an undefeated record, no matter what Canelo does every history book will always have the quote, yes but Floyd Mayweather schooled him and was the only man to beat him. Just the way people are., you haven't been around long enough to figure this sht out but you will see mark my words.

I can remember boxing experts, suggesting that Mayweather had bitten off more than he could chew with Alvarez. Just look how serious Doug Fischer is etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZfeAmicII Reynoso and Canelo were so confident they could beat Floyd, the doco on Canelo goes into it, they thought they could wear him down and stop him, they believed Floyd couldn't keep him off for 12 rounds, how wrong they were.

Green Canelo was in every p4p list, had 40+ fights and made 6 world title defences lol By the way, Floyd was way past his best with ruined hands too I can remember boxing experts, suggesting that Mayweather had bitten off more than he could chew with Alvarez. Just look how serious Doug Fischer is etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZfeAmicII