As stated preaviously the topic could've read who will be forgotten in 20 years by the casual fan or hardcore boxer fans. If where talking the casual fighter. Very few have made that kinda statement as Ali, Frazier, Robinson, Tyson, ODLH, Holyfield and so on. You would be hard pressed to find a name of considerable stature that any hardcore boxing fan would forget. Every one is quick to point out Joe C. would be forgotten but most hate him and he is most talked about on this forum weather it be good or bad as of late. So there are so many reasons we will remember certain boxers. Some will be remembered for certain reasons and forgotten for others. The question seems like a simple one turns out to be a fairly broad one.
I think if one does every thing you mentioned. And has the skill power chin etc. Then you have to take chances with out risking it all. You could have a go for broke mentality but then what if broke happens.
You would have to try the unorthidox styles some times against those that seem to be better than you in one or more aspect of the sport. Always go in with a game plan but be prepared to change it slightly or throw it completely out the window in an instance.
Always keep an open mind. Listen to those around you take every thing under advisement. Boxing is the one thing where the phrase(If it aint broke don't fix it) can mean every thing at one moment and nothing in the next. Because the other guy adapted. And last but not least work hard and stay focused.
The other thing I didn't really mention untill I wen't back and read some that posted while I was writing. Any who what I was going to say is the other thing. It all depends on what country your in as to who will be remembered in 20 yr.s. I think the question should read. Who will we the forum be most likely to remember in 20 yr.s.
Did you see their ppv numbers? Those guys need to build themselves up into superstars to the point where they can generate at LEAST 300k on their own.
Hatton, De la hoya and Pacman are the only ones in weathers weight range that can guarantee a million buys.
Mayweather has already fought 2 of them. If the guy he KO'd beats the pacman their will be no incentive for may to come back.The only thing about gaining that mega superstar status quickly is you gota either be some one who just comes in banging like tyson and others did leaving it all on the line. Or do like floyd and talk relentless shit!
Hehehe it is amazing how upset Haye fans are at the fact that he is versing Vitali rather than Wlad. Vitali utterly dominates him, and I guess with Wlad he atleast has a shot.
Wlad simply stated that he should have to work his way up to be able to fight him. And why should he be able to just come up from cruiser to HW and win a couple of fights and now all the sudden he's num 1 contender. Who has he beat to deserve the shot. I understand he was champion of his division but not this one he's stepping up in weight and needs to pay his dues in this one as well. Oh and clicked the wrong thing didn't mean to quote you sorry.
I'm a fan of boxing and MMA. IMO if you take a boxer and put him in a mma fight he's more than likely gona loose. And deff vice versa. To say that mma is a joke is bs. Saying is takes no skill apparantly you haven't watched two top contenders go at. Ones that have good ground and striking. That is one of the reasons I like mma because you have to train for so many different and possible things that can happen in a match. Now I am in no way discrediting boxing. It takes a hole different skill set and yeah I would deff give the cardio edge to boxing but there are some mma fighters that take there cardio to just as extreme level as boxers. And if being on the ground is just laying there taking a break. Whats the diff when you got thos clinching boxers that just wants to hug when his opponant gets inside. I'm not hating on boxing at all just felt the need to take up for mma and the so called fan base every one seems to think it has. Like you're a retard moron just for liking to whatch it. It just got on my nerves a little for so many to basically say theres no skill in it. As for Brock getting the title shot I completely agree. Complete bs That is one of the things I don't like about the management of ufc they try do what they think is more popular instead of what is right or fair. Don't wana step on any one's toes in here just joined the site and enjoy it very much and don't wana get into any personal attacks on here so If I've offended any one sorry just stating my opinion.
I whatched the Lennox fight monday at work. Vitali wasn't just walking all over him but was deff landing more and harder shots. Higher connect percentage ergo getting the better of him. If it wasn't for the cut over VK's eye I think he was well on his way to a huge margin ud or a late round ko. Even after the fight Jim stated and the other commentators agreed and I quote( It is safe to say Lennox came away with the belt but Vitali came away with the fight). Now that being said it was a bad cut and was probably for the best but IMO wasn't effecting him enough to cause him to be loosing the fight.I guess what i'm trying to say is I think that's one L that should deff show W and would make his resume look oh so much better. Under circumstances like that I just don't think it should be listed as a tko it just doesn't make sense to me.
Honestly he might be trying to cash out. He is in a win win situation, fighting the best, even if he loses he still makes his money, and he lost to the best. If he wins, he has made his money and has beat the best, and now sets up even a bigger fight with Wladimir.
Couldnt agree more
vitali has no technique whatsoevever! ffs, he was a former kick boxer...
that says it all.its like an MMA guy saying he has good boxing skills...
Tell that to peter. Or better yet Lewis. Who retired on a bs tko over Vitali.
And all I'm saying is they don't have the right to charge PPV if they would be clinching and running 75% of the time, however effective that style have been for them in their rise to their supposed superstardom.I didn't see that much clinching in either of there recent fights nor did they run. But as for ppv i agree with that most of the fights today don't deserve ppv. Earlier I read a post as to weather or not Pac Hatten was a ppv worthy fight in the see of ppv fights we have today fights like that damn sure are but as they weren't ppv quality nor where they ppv fights. When faced with a good fighter Vitali Klitschko imo is very exciting and ppv worthy. If your post was pointed at Klits if not. I apologize for the misunderstanding. But would you be as disapointed in the fights if you whatced them on pub tv hbo box after dark or show time non ppv. You wouldn't more than likely be content on calling them boring lackluster or what have you. IMO ppv is the main killer of boxing and the cause of people getting so upset and calling the fights boring and what have you. And yeah some of the fights are just down right rediculously boring to whatch from time to time. But take the good with the bad. I guess my question is would you think they where as boring if they didn't cost you 50 bucks a pop?
Like stated so many times above if this aint a ppv fight I don't know what is. What makes so many people not buy alot of the ppv fights is the recent price hike. If they would drop it back to 39.95 I believe they would make more money because so many people would buy them. Also I believe there are to many ppv fights now days. And makes us middle to lower class people have to pick and choose which ones we wana whatch. Not to mention when your a guy like my self that likes to whatch mma as much as boxing. Way to many ppv's going on. But yeah it's deff a ppv worthy fight.
Agreed in part. But you got to look at it from a fighters point of view. Especially an established fighter. Why would you change what is working for you. They are dominating and every one talks about who is out there that can possibly beat them. Now if your an upand comer like areola hayes and so on they need to be exciting to make a statement and get more attention. I'll tell you this I've seen it in mma and boxing once you get caught ko'd or close to it every one goes back if not in that fight in there next fight to being more cautious and what every one calls that boring fighter. I see it so often in mma when one fighter is so skilled and can keep the other at bay but knows that possibilty of gettin caught is there because it has happened or came close to it. Every one goes on to call them boring instead of skilled. I agree it can go to far but I don't think the Klits are that kind of boring fighter just haven't been challenged as of late. Most all of those exciting fighters that go out there and leave it all on the line usually don't have that long of a career is just what I'm saying.
Every body keeps sayin tyson wlad. IMO Vitali is the better fighter of the 2 brothers. I think it would've been a good fight but would have to edge Vitali for his defense and better cardio. But still wouldn't be totaly surprised if tyson could come up with a ko but imo not likely. And the wlad of today it's kinda a toss up to me. I don't know but in this last fight he looked huge way bigger than usual. And not fat. And that style/size of fighter proved to be a problem for tyson. Also imo a fighter should be judged by his entire career not what he done in the first part of his career. But i guess the question at hand was tyson of 20 yrs so this maybe out of place.In saying this don't get me wrong I'm a huge tyson fan. He's had a hard life seemingly selfinflicted for the most part and probably learned a to late and costly lesson with his money. Sorry to get so off topic.
What everyone should learn from all this instead of all the fighting. From all the stats every one has posted. Styles make fights. Just because one fighter has beaten a fight that another fighter has lost to doesn't necesassry mean he will beat that guy. Bottom line it's a fight that will make decent money not alot but worth while none the less. IMO it all depends on if Zag can handle the power and keep bringing his relentless pace. I think he could take a decision.
Oscar had the better long hall career imo for sure. And Tyson imo was a more exciting fighter. IMO both are deff among a list of all time greats. To pick one over the other as to say who is better is a tuff one. But I do like tyson a little more for the excitability (if that's a word lol) and his wicked power and ferociousness. Which in turn is what brought about his excitability. Both lost fights they deff should've won.
VK's chin and power. Haye won't KO him, and he'll be in trouble against a guy wit punchin power to match him.Exactly I wasn't all that familiar with Haye so I went back and whatched him. He's got decent power and pretty decent speed but not overwhelming by any means. You put that against VK's size, defense, and power. I look for a mid to late round tko. The guys he beat in the hw div who are they. If Vitali or WLad would have beat them every body would be saying so what they beat a nobody. But now all of the sudden Haye beats them and he's a number one contender. BS in my opinion he dosen't deserve a shot right now. Let him work his way up the ranks and see what happens. But oh well. I'll watch it.
I'm not gona defend the point with a personal attack. But I don't see how any one could say they've done nothing. Look at there records that should say enough. The losses where avenged except for Lewis and imo he was lucky for the fight to be stopped by the cut. Vitali was well on his way to a win. In his prime imo would take Lewis in his prime any day. again JMO. So to say Klit's are no good go back in recent history who was the greatest. HW V klit is my top pick. He is quick has ko power boxing skill he's a technician in the sport. You put some one in front of him and he will fight him. And he is the sole reason imo for the retirement of lewis. And had that fight not taken place between the two and exposed Lewis's weekness's and over rated abilitys would you have considered him a washed up fighter. pointed at naps post not yours bsrizpac
Wasn't quite as bad of a beating that Vitali gave to Peter but a beating none the less. I just don't see any body beating these two. And I'll even include Mr. Lewis in that category.