Klits are overrated, here is my take...

According to you, no boxer is decent unless they are number 1. You're a ****ing idiot. Shut up. :bottle::bottle::bottle: If anyone needs the bottle it's you. I laid out my argument, and explained my opinion clearly. If you disagree then fine, but at least try and discuss it. You're a ****ing idiot maked you look unintelligent, and like you don't have an answer to me.

Like it or not (I'm not a fan), but Wlad is the most dominate heavyweight in this era. Granted the competition was wack but I doubt anyone can **** with thiss dude, you can't blame him for the lack of a real contender. Vitali could of been special but his injury problems held him back.I wish Lennox would've stuck around a little bit longer but I understand him wanting to retire at the top with his future investments intact.

why be so tactical when the division is such garbage Because if you are absolutely dominating by being tactical, AND still KOing guys, why not?

I agree that Wlad's been fighting a boring fight, but like I said, his opponents can't get him to fight differently because they get dominated by his superior boxing skills. It's somewhat his fault, true, but when it comes down to it, a boring, tactical W is more important than a fight-of-the-year worthy L why be so tactical when the division is such garbage

it ain't totally about top names... wlad is boring as hell to watch... vit is fun to watch but he's too inactive. these guys should be fighting 3-4 times a year w/ all these bums in their division. I agree that Wlad's been fighting a boring fight, but like I said, his opponents can't get him to fight differently because they get dominated by his superior boxing skills. It's somewhat his fault, true, but when it comes down to it, a boring, tactical W is more important than a fight-of-the-year worthy L

It's not the Klitschkos fault that there aren't many top "name" fighters in the division. They've collectively cleared it out, aside from Chris Arreola (who is barely a contender at this point, but may get a title shot due to the division's shallowness) and David Haye, who's moved up from Cruiserweight. I've only seen 3 fights of Haye's, so excuse me for thinking that Vitali is going to dismantle him in an exciting matchup. Wladimir will stop Alexander Povetkin, Sam Peter is out of the mix, decision James Toney, and aside from Toney, KO anyone that is unable to get him to fight their fight. And it's hard to get a guy to fight your fight when he is giving you a boxing lesson bombing straight rights and left hooks off your face behind hands-down the best jab in the division. it ain't totally about top names... wlad is boring as hell to watch... vit is fun to watch but he's too inactive. these guys should be fighting 3-4 times a year w/ all these bums in their division.

It's not the Klitschkos fault that there aren't many top "name" fighters in the division. They've collectively cleared it out, aside from Chris Arreola (who is barely a contender at this point, but may get a title shot due to the division's shallowness) and David Haye, who's moved up from Cruiserweight. I've only seen 3 fights of Haye's, so excuse me for thinking that Vitali is going to dismantle him in an exciting matchup. Wladimir will stop Alexander Povetkin, Sam Peter is out of the mix, decision James Toney, and aside from Toney, KO anyone that is unable to get him to fight their fight. And it's hard to get a guy to fight your fight when he is giving you a boxing lesson bombing straight rights and left hooks off your face behind hands-down the best jab in the division.

lol. The old Lewis Argument. The fight was stopped in the interests of Vitalis personal safetey. That is undisputable FACT. The rest is merely speculative. yes but speculative enough where people wanted to see a rematch AKA closure. that call was not closure. if it was, people wouldnt have been cheering vitali and booing lewis at the end of the fight. lewis was trailing on the score cards. look maybe lewis would have beat him in a rematch, but maybe vitali would have finished the job in the rematch as well. we will never know, but to say that was a LOSS for vitali is ridiculous. i mean, lewis got the W on his record, but ive never seen a fighters stock rise so dramatically in a LOSS. vitali may have the L, but that night belonged to him. ok as for wlad and vitali being HYPEjobs first off they are STARS because they are the champions of the heavyweight division and knocking nearly every opponent out. they are the only stable force in the division right now, and thats why they get the attention as heavyweight champs of the world. them being brothers may add a bit to it. the fact they are european and white has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. next, they cant be hype jobs when they are facing the best opponents they can possibly face and knocking them all out. sure we can have a fruitless argument about what fighter from what era would beat them or would get beat by them, but thats useless. its not like they can move weight classes to find new people to fight, they are stuck in the heavyweight division and they are CLEANING it out big time. you may dislike their fighting style and say how flawed it is, but i cant remember a fight where either klitschko lost a round decisevely. alot of people dislike wlad because he plays it safe, but dont you think thats the smart thing to do? hes a professional fighter, so he should FIGHT professionally. i personally am a fan of wlads, because he fights nearly flawless fights, and ends them by ko. it sucks that there is no tyson or lewis or foreman around to test themselves against, but that is no reason to call them hypejobs. you cant accurately say that, they are heavyweight champs for a reason... and heres another thing. lets say david haye comes along and beats them, well then hes the next big thing right? hes pretty much the shit and a REAL heavyweight champ and everyone loves him. ok so he comes in and loses oh well then hes a nobody hypejob washed up bum who should have never boxed in the first place. i must say the kind of opinions which some fans have toward the klitschkos are some of the oddest ones ive ever seen. MY take is, that the klitschkos are not hypejobs, and EVEN if you think they couldnt compete with tyson, or lewis, or who ever you want to throw out there, just because they dont live up to those champions in your mind does not mean they are hype jobs. everyone recognizes the state of the division, but shouldnt you give them credit for being a stable force in the division? what if the klitschkos WERENT there? would that make you happy? so haye moves up and dominates the division and just because hes a character people will give him credit. people who hate the klitschkos and think they blow will be giving haye credit and talking about how great haye is if he were to beat them. but thats contradictory, as you cant think haye is good if the only people he beat were "hypejobs". its a good thing the klitschkos are here, because they are stable and clearly high level fighters. so when the next big thing comes along, and gets beat, give them some credit instead of saying that the next big thing was just a "hypejob" also hypejob is a gay word. no more from me on this thread.

Ok, I made this post in another thread, but thought it was worth a thread. The Klits are a hypedob, a PR machine. They might me really good, but we have no evidence of that yet. I'm genuinely do not understand all the Klit praise. Wlad. Has never fought anyone decent EVER. He has been beaten by some terrible fighters, and 10 years ago he wouldn't even be a top 5 heavy. Most recent evidence: Embarrasing display towards the end of the 3rd round against Rahman. Vitali Only fought one decent fighter ever. A shot Lewis, and he still got TKO'd. Neither of these guys have doen ANYTHING to back up the praise they get. Big deal, they dominate the Heavies right now. One of my mates who is TERRIBLE and fat is ranked in the top 50 heavies, and I reckon I could beat him even!! Most recent evidence: Won a world title.........of one of the worst Champions (any weight) in history. The division is wank, and the Klits have NOTHING on their resumes. Hypejob Klits, only get coverage cos they are tall, white, European, and brothers. It's the quirkiness factor which makes them stars. Someone tell me who either of them have beat that justifies their reputation... __________________ the HW division is garbage... it doesn't matter if the klits dominate garbage... the end

Tell that to peter. Or better yet Lewis. Who retired on a bs tko over Vitali. lol. The old Lewis Argument. The fight was stopped in the interests of Vitalis personal safetey. That is undisputable FACT. The rest is merely speculative.

vitali has no technique whatsoevever! ffs, he was a former kick boxer... that says it all.its like an MMA guy saying he has good boxing skills... Tell that to peter. Or better yet Lewis. Who retired on a bs tko over Vitali.

i think wlad needs credit for turning his career around. after he got knocked out a couple times he got stronger. he could have just as easily turned into a michael grant. if you want to challange how good they are what do you propose them to do? i do not see anything they can do any different than taking on all challanges and beating them all. thats all that can be done.

Ditto. Thread Closed. Re-post. Thats called a debate/discussion/conversation. I made claims, and backed them up with reason and OPINION. You have chosen to avoid my points, fair enough, thats your choice.

Like I said.. what's to debate??.. you have already made up your mind.. You are asking me to disprove your opinion.. So I say.. well they beat this guy and that guy.. Then you find a million reasons why those aren't really worthy opponents (unless of course if they had won.. then they would be ATGs ) and round and round we go.. I have played this game before.. SO whats to debate?? Ditto. Thread Closed.

So wait, I mean i'm not saying they are ATG or anything but you're punishing them for the era they are in? Guess Marciano, Tyson, and Holmes were trash too. You're saying Wlad would lose to Tommy Morrison and guys like David Izon, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno Herbie Hide etc? I mean you exaggerate a little bit don't you?I didn't say they were trash because of their era, don't put words into my mouth. All I'm saying is that it's very hard to find and establish greatness in a weak heavyweight era. You either have to dominate it for a very long time like Holmes did, or you have to impress people by thrashing through the division like Tyson did. And I also said that Wlad couldn't go 6 rounds with some, not all of the contenders of the 90's which was a much better era. But Wlad's chin has been proven to be crap so any good puncher such as Tommy Morrison, etc., has a chance of taking him out early. Not only because of his bad chin, but because of the way he panicks when he gets decked. A man like that is very vulnerable to the KO against any decent contender. Problem is that there aren't any decent contenders in this era so even a highly flawed fighter like Wladdy can rule all.

You're saying Wlad would lose to Tommy Morrison and guys like David Izon, Bruce Seldon, Frank Bruno Herbie Hide etc? I mean you exaggerate a little bit don't you? What are you talking about?

Like I said.. what's to debate??.. you have already made up your mind.. You are asking me to disprove your opinion.. So I say.. well they beat this guy and that guy.. Then you find a million reasons why those aren't really worthy opponents (unless of course if they had won.. then they would be ATGs ) and round and round we go.. I have played this game before.. SO whats to debate?? Thats called a debate/discussion/conversation. I made claims, and backed them up with reason and OPINION. You have chosen to avoid my points, fair enough, thats your choice.

vitali has no technique whatsoevever! ffs, he was a former kick boxer... that says it all.its like an MMA guy saying he has good boxing skills...

I think they are both unlucky that neither had a name that good go up in lights and get people interested in apart from Lewis. Sucks for Wlad, he has had no one. Unless Arreola becomes even more popular.Not Arreola, that guy is not champion material, exciting, but if he fights any of the champions now he loses. If Haye was to beat some top fighter, and if either bro was to beat Haye convincingly, that would be something.

I think they are both unlucky that neither had a name that could go up in lights and get people interested in apart from Lewis. Sucks for Wlad, he has had no one. Unless Arreola becomes even more popular.