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some of these boxers dont understand the business side of boxing. you cant just SIMPLY win a fight. you have to win and be EXCITING. TV networks and fight fans don't give a damn if you can win a 12 round decision by boxing and moving all night especially if you're an up and coming fighter. you dont attract new fans by jabbing, clinching, moving all night to a victory. look at what happened to clottey after the pacquiao bout. he now realizes how much he f*cked up. klitschko, ggg, kovalev, canelo dont need to talk much. they can let their fists do all the talking. but guys like malignaggi and mayweather who arent able to excite fans inside the ring excited them outside the ring by having a motor mouth at media pressers and by talking a lot of smack towards their opponents.. lara, rigo, andre ward and all up and coming fighters should enroll in an evening course in marketing 101. Pretty Boy Floyd was exciting? The Majority of his career? only since Hatton he hasn't been thrilling to watch visually

Who was the better fighter in their prime? Pacquiao in my opinion. But many opinions could be jolted by the whole 'PED' situation relating to Pacquiao... which can be argued for strongly

Same here. I used kinda Floyd when he was like that lol. Now he's fuking boring as hell in and out the ring now. Even the All Access shows are boring. I used to love the 24/7 episodes leading up to Oscar vs May, May vs Mosley. Boxing needs another 'villain' as they say. The sport needs someone to hate just as much as someone to love.

There is huge talent out there, but I see a lack of personality right now. I would be interested to see a loudmouth GGG or Andre Ward. I even kind of miss how flashy & arrogant Floyd was a few years ago, like the Floyd we saw leading up to Oscar.

Canelo barely speaks a word of English. You gotta get over to the masses to get the massive amounts of ppvs. I dont see him becoming a big PPV star. I think most of the fighters will be on the same level now after Floyd & Manny. They'll be able to get a million ppvs but nothing more unless they're matched up with another million ppv type fighter Floyd became a PPV star A) due to him winning but more importantly, B) he made people watch him and want him to lose. Who out there currently is like that? Broner? but he's already lost and people dont give two figs about him now. They now he's not the real deal. Love or hate him. Floyd was smart with his career decisions. 100% agree with you. I can't see anyone out there who would even dare to portray themselves like Floyd did. I desperately want to see another ****y 'villian'.

Someone with a lot of personality like Floyd will be the next PPV Star. Thurman and GGG have a lot of personality. Personality and excitement for sure. But do you think that can transcend into global stars?

Match ups will determine PPV viability for the forseeable future. I don't see any one guy that can carry a PPV and cetainly not on Floyd's level. At least not yet. Me too. I see Welterweight and Middleweight divisions becoming very competitive in the near future. Some big match ups for sure

Floyd's counter right hand/lead right hand. Carl Froch's jab.

A long ways below 'Enry Cooper, thats for sure. I'm curious to know why Cooper is greater than Froch in your opinion?

he doesn't make extra being his own promoter, he just doesn't lose that percentage that would be paid out to a promoter. It's the same. On fight night, he will earn more money because his cut is higher. A higher cut is losing less and earning more.

every fighter has a different figure. how stupid are you? pacquiao pays out 27% to bob arum, while timothy bradley only pays out like 10% with a high guarantee. not every fighter has the same contract:ugh: Of course. Which is why I said 'roughly'. Come on man, read what I said.

you do realize all purses posted are before any deductions right? different trainers, managers, advisors, promotors, taxes....you really don't know what every fighter brings home. Yes, I am just asking for a rough idea of a promoters percentage.

your question is stupid. He's the highest paid athlete in the world. everyone already knows this. So he's making a lot more than anyone else. Me asking what the percentage cut is crazy? I know he's the highest paid athlete, who doesn't. Did you read my question? I am asking for the figure.

You just clarified why he'll never surpass Ali. "....he does not need to take the risk". This is why there is so little respect for his accomplishments and for the man himself. Winning for the sake of winning degrades the appeal of boxing, which is the fight. Without the fight you have a chess match, which no one wants to watch. Floyd it's at a pinnacle right now but don't be fooled into thinking that history will look favorably upon him. Conservative fighters are never remembered fondly. Which styles of boxing are appealing depends on person preference. Boxing is about winning, you fight to win. Whether fans want to watch it is a completely different thing, that's all down to which styles fans find appealing. What really matters is the ability and effectiveness of the fighter. Not how fun they are to watch.

Nobody stopped Ali! But as for Floyd, I like his KO win against Hatton, but I don't consider Hatton to be on par with the opponents Ali (and other fighters such as Leonard or Duran) beat in their prime. Sorry. Knocking out a prime Oscar De La Hoya or a prime Sugar Shane would have put Floyd up there, but he didn't fight them them in their primes, and he didn't knock them out even when they were old. Yes anyone CAN. No one has even come close to stopping Floyd. Imagine if Floyd lost to a fighter who was 6-1. Once again this is boxing, it's about winning. Not knocking someone out.

Look at Ali's resume. He beat Liston and Frazier twice, and defeated Foreman. Beating Ken Norton is also impressive. Granted, I'm not sure Ali legitimately won ALL of those fights (Norton probably won 2 out of 3; Frazier may have also), but that's still an absolutely MONSTER resume that no other HW in history can quite equal. The greatest HW yes but greatest boxer ever to fight, I can't say he is.

Ali is boxing. No matter what you think, where he should be ranked, ATG number 1 or not. Ali is boxing. Not a single person in the world doesnt know who Ali is. 100% but it's hard to say he is the greatest boxer to live, P4P No1.

ATG jab: check ATG right hand: check ATG double left hook: check ATG handspeed: check ATG chin: check (greatest chin ever possibly) ATG resume: check ATG athletic ability: check ATG longevity: check Overrated? Yeah sure. I'm not saying he is overrated please just interpret what I am saying properly please. I am saying that there have been better boxers. Please interpret in right way

I also wondered this myself a lot I mean Ali is and probably will forever be the most popular boxer ever. So many casual will by default call him the best but same casual think Tyson is an ATG. But you would think hardcore fans would know better. Simply put Ali is the best heavyweight ever but guys like Hagler, Leonard, Pep, Manny, Chavez, and Duran are better p4p boxers and their resumes are much deeper. It's really unfair a lot of boxers aren't judged sorely on their abilities but also their popularity. This is exactly what I mean. Judged sorely on abilities, Ali just isn't the best fighter ever in my view.

So Floyd doesn't knock people out? I thought this was called 'Boxing', not KOing. Please remember that everyone loses power respectively as they climb weights, especially 5. Floyd hasn't KO'd recently 1) He is so skilful he does not need to take the risk 2)He's been fighting larger fighters E.g. Canelo, Maidana, Cotto. The young Floyd that fought fighters at lower weights hurt people. Remember Corrales, Hatton, both unbeaten but had been stopped by Floyd? And remember, at Heavyweight, anyone can stop someone Have you ever seen a fighter shut fighters out with intelligence and skill as well as Floyd? Great fighters too

Floyd doesn't hurt people -- at all. He used to, a little. But Ali KO'd George freaking Foreman for chrissakes. Leonard KO'd Tommy The Hit Man freaking Hearns. Does that help? So Floyd doesn't knock people out? I thought this was called 'Boxing', not KOing. Please remember that everyone loses power respectively as they climb weights, especially 5. Floyd hasn't KO'd recently 1) He is so skilful he does not need to take the risk 2)He's been fighting larger fighters E.g. Canelo, Maidana, Cotto. The young Floyd that fought fighters at lower weights hurt people. Remember Corrales, Hatton, both unbeaten but had been stopped by Floyd? And remember, at Heavyweight, anyone can stop someone

Look at his movement in the ring, and his ring generalship. He controlled distance and made much stronger men essentially helpless. Look at the way he moved. He moved prettier than anyone at any weight, which is saying a lot. He used that jab more brilliantly than perhaps any boxer in history. Technically, he didn't do as many things as many great boxers. He rarely threw a body shot. His defense wasn't perfect. But he handled his own repertoire of skills so incredibly well -- and in the service of such a brilliant resume -- YES, Ali could be the greatest BOXER of all time. I always ask, "But who did he beat?" And Ali comes up at the top in that criterion. He beat greater fighters than anyone, at their peak. I understand but please understand what I am saying. So many people's opinion of Ali being the greatest boxer ever is influenced by his personality and outside of the ring achievements that it's near impossible for the world to be convinced there will ever be another fighter. That is what I am saying

I agree, absolutely. But as a boxer, it is hard to say he is the greatest BOXER, his hype his justified of course but focusing on the sport itself, few have surpassed his skill and achievements in the sport

I can understand mentioning Leonard, who was possibly a better offensive fighter than Ali ever was and has a terrific resume but how do you suppose Floyd ranks so highly? His resume isn't as good and his offensive ability isnt the best of his own generation/decade/century let alone all time. But, for arguments sake, let's assume I take on board both names, you have only been able to rank 2 men higher than Ali in the history of boxing, considering Ali's peak was some 4 decades earlier...doesn't that tell you something? I could give you so many reasons for Floyd man but I just want to know, why is his offence not great? Once again man, you're not understanding what I am saying. What is the point lol

Ali simply isn't the greatest boxer ever. But he's top 5 P4P and at worst the second best 200lb+ ever! So you understand what I mean?

Probably everybody gets what you're saying. It's not new. You'll have to put some names out there. Who's a better boxer than Ali? And what exactly does "better boxer" mean? To me, the greatest boxer doesn't just have skills. He uses those skills to defeat truly great competition. Anyway, who is better than Ali? I might say Sugar Ray Robinson was better (a common name.) But frankly I don't think SRR beat many truly great fighters. Sorry. I might say Sugar Ray Leonard. His resume may actually trump Ali's as the best of all time. (SRL defeated Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler. Holy crap that's good.) Sugar used a lot of Ali's skills and approach to become what he did. He was able to win fights both by boxing and brawling (Hearns fight.) He did so much. But who do YOU think was better than Ali? In terms of boxing alone, I think Ray Leonard and Floyd have only just surpassed him. That's it

waiting for his fight vs johnson... very interesting if he stops him imo. Do you think it's impressive if he stops him or is it something you expect Joshua to do?

Just a breakdown of how active fighters have been in the Welterweight Division. Since Summer 2014 Porter 3 times (Brook, Bone, Porter) Brook 3 times (Porter, Dan Ion, Gavin) Thurman 3 times (Bundu, Guerrero, Collazo) Mayweather 4 times (Maidana, Maidana, Pacquiao, Berto) Khan 3 times (Collazo, Alexander, Algieri) Guerrero 3 times (Kamigei, Thurman, Martinez) Bradley 3 times (Chaves, Vargas, Rios) Rios 3 times (Chaves, Alvarado, Bradley) Pacquiao 2 times (Algieri, Mayweather) So, the most active fighter in the Welterweight Division has been none other than the oldest fighter in the Division, Floyd Mayweather Jr who has fought 4 times. Props to Floyd Mayweather, for all the hate that he gets, at least he fights regularly. That just shows how messed up, and diva-like the fighters at 147 are. Fighters like Khan get stick for being inactive, but the stats show that he is just as inactive as the rest of the Welterweight Division. Meanwhile, fighters like Bradley are applauded for how active they are, but in reality he has only fought 3 times in the past year and a half. Just shows to go, how biased many of the posters on NSB are, and that there are some clear favourites amongst the posters on NSB. People say why is boxing no longer the mainstream sport that it once was. That is because soccer teams, american football teams, basketball teams, golf, tennis, snooker players, are all more active in 2015, than they were in 1985. That is clearly not the case for boxing. Being a fan of any sport is like a drug, if you can't get a hit of a certain drug when need it, you will move on to another drug, or get weaned of the drug. With 4 governing bodies, and fighters having more power than they ever had, what needs to be done to get fighters in the ring more often? Capping their purses? When you think about it, fighting only two times a year isn't really active. But, Floyd needs time to build and promote fights. They wouldn't be as big if he was fighting 4 times a year. You do have to give Floyd his props though. Fighting consistently at such a late stage of your career, especially after making hundreds of millions of dollars, is a hard thing to do. He never lost focus either. Congrats to him for that. In terms of the other guys, it's a shambles. A lot of those guys were too busy trying to talk themselves into a fight at the Money Man, Khan primarily. They never wanted to risk loosing to each other because they knew it would ruin their chances of getting a shot at Floyd. Now that Floyd has stepped aside, I think, or at least I hope, the fighters at 147 all want to work their way up to the top. I am sure they all want to be the top dog at 147 now the King has retired, hopefully that brings some fights. This is the thing with Floyd. He was great and awful for boxing. He brought in viewers, but made boxing about HIM. A legendary achievement but now people are starting to see why boxing doesn't like a guy who dominates the way Floyd did.

I'm in the mood for a chess match. What are some highly technical fights? Preferably ones from the 80s to present. Floyd vs Zudah. Constantly adjusting. Something more recent would be BHOP v The Krusher.

They say: What is the double standard? I'll show you that actually the double standard is being used against GGG and in favour of Ward. So when they want to make a Ward vs Kovalev fight, they're trying to get Andre Ward beat? And why don't you think the same when they try to make GGG vs Ward? It's clear that they want to see GGG lose. Not only because they want to see him against Ward at 168, but also because they want to see him against Canelo at 155. They want GGG to lose, badly. At least Ward vs Kovalev is an even match, where both fighters would weight the same, have the same height, and reach. No difference at all, no advantages for anyone. So what's the matter? it's a fair match. I want to know who forced Andre Ward to fight at 172 in his last fight? according to the whinners he is being forced to fight Kovalev? but I remember him fighthing at LHW last time, and there was no talk of "I'm being forced to move up" thing. GGG vs Ward would be a guy almost two inch taller, weighting more, and having reach advantage, against a smaller guy. So, the reality is that Mayweather and other wants to see GGG lose against a bigger opponent, having disadvantage in every department. So they shouldn't talk about double standars, at all. BUT, it gets even funnier, when Mayweather says: That's what he says about Ward. If we replace the number 168 with the number 160 if we have the same standards, which supposedly Floyd has... then he should be OK with GGG staying at 160 and doing his thing there. But NO, he says: "I will be impressed with GGG when he moves up and beat Ward". Double standards? yes, against GGG. And then he compares the whole situation with when he "had to" face Gatti, and talks like he was being put against a high risk. Lol Gatti had like 5 loses, no comparison to GGG or Ward who are undefeated. He tries to makes us believe he was involved in similar high risks fights. He says there's a double standard against Ward, and actually the double standard is against GGG. No one is forzing these boxers to do anything, they are doing what they want and Ward is fighting at LHW since his last fight for some reason he knows. Ward can come down to 168 and do his thing there if he wants to. You idiot. Ward has already faced world class opposition and proved himself. They want Ward to loose. GGG has faced no one worthy of world class title, they want to see him finally fight someone good. Difference man