You dumb cvnt, both Whyte and Chisora where involved in a fight of the year and sold out a stadium which warrants a healthy PPV, they are both big stars in the UK, the UK supports their own you silly fan girl. Name one American HW currently that can beat Whyte, your champ Deotay doesn’t want that work, he has consistently told Whyte ranked number 1 that he intends not to fight him because he knows Whyte got a warriors heart and a punch could end Deotay, didn’t Hearn offer Deotay 7m to come fight in UK years back? Yet he settled to fight a grandpa who is a know drug
Firstly, I'm going to do you a favour. Jog off and watch Vargas vs Salido which was the real fight of 2016...if you know anything about boxing you'll thank me for directing you to it.
Secondly, the first fight was on the bill of an AJ fight so Whyte - Chisora didn't sell the stadium out. I'm quite sure AJ was the marquee name and his paycheck would have reflected that fact but why let facts get in the way of your argument.
Last but not least, it's not wise to bring up drug cheats when discussing Whyte...I'm sure the irony is lost on you.
Thank you for your welcome. This may be my last post if that is the level of debate. Your logic dictates that my opinion is not valid because I haven't posted before...interesting. Empty vessels making the most noise appears to be an apt proverb in your case.
Your Alabama drama queen got nabbed with weed in his car didn’t he? Talk about bong squat! Aside that, it took a Brit who has been outta the ring for 3 years to fight Wilder for him to showcase his first PPV, someone who has been WBC champ for how many years now???
Really sad you American lot don’t know you have a fraud as a champ!
I noticed you didn't dispute any of the points I made.
Hope you enjoyed the Vargas - Salido fight....you're welcome!
What's really sad is that you assume I'm American and a Wilder fan as I don't agree with you.
Good gag with 'bong squat' gag though!
You almost redeemed yourself...
Whyte and Chisora are big PPV stars you muppet! Whyte - Chisora fight was entertaining with much power shoots thrown, your girl Wilder, a world champ for many years just had his first PPV courtesy of Tyson Fury in 2018, maybe you should keep your comments to yourself because you just came out as incredibly dumb!
The only things dumb are your assumptions that I am a Wilder fan and that Whyte and Chisora are big PPV stars. Yes, they have fought on PPV before but that's due to the over saturation of the PPV market.
Neither of these two would have been near a PPV event ten years ago. That was for the elite fighters fighting for genuine world titles.
Thanks to Eddie H we have people paying for two sub world class fighters, in a domestic clash with no titles on the line.
I hear Eddie has some magic beans for sale if you are interested.
Eddie Hearn is all smoke and mirrors. He's got the English public believing that Whyte - Chisora 2 is a PPV event, just like Bellew - Haye 1 and 2. I'm pleased AJ has decided to step away from the illusionist and say he wants the Wilder fight. Everyone knows that the aforementioned 'PPV event' is an eliminator for AJ in April. Unfortunately for Eddie, Wilder - Fury was a fight actually worth paying for and surpassed expectations. AJ realises he's missing the party as who wants to see him fighting a retread in Whyte or Chisora?
What are you on about? Joshua holds all the belts, he's the draw, that's just a fact.
AJ fights his mandatorys to keep his belts and ALSO offered Wilder and Tyson record paydays.
Again those are the facts.
Those are indeed facts, with the exception that AJ holds all the belts.
Another inescapable fact is that Wilder and Fury agreed to fight and it captured the imagination of fans, hard-core and casual alike.
This has, to use the idiom, shot Hearn's fox, as Eddie has lost control of the HW division.
He now has a stadium booking in April with no credible opponent and will be frozen out until after the Wilder/Fury rematch has concluded.
I want to see the best meet the best and the winner of Wilder/Fury 2 will be in a position to demand an equal split, which unfortunately for Eddie, will eat into his profit margin.
The figures for Wilder/Fury vs AJ will be eye watering...and so they should be.
To all the Wilder fans saying 'we knew all along it was Whyte next blah blah blah.
If Wilder does not want the fight what do you expect AJ and Hearn to do? Wilder has admitted he does not want to fight AJ and wants to do the Fury rematch, he lost the first match so by rights should not even have a title.
It is quite obvious Wilder is the first choice as AJ is legitimately trying to unify all 4 belts and has made offers to fight Wilder that have been rebuffed. Unlike Wilder who although held a title way longer made no attempt to unify and just cherry picked easy defense.
I honestly think Wilder fans are just blind in there hatred and have no logic.
If 'it is quite obvious that Wilder is the first choice' why was AJ not ringside waiting to call out the winner when he fought Fury?
He did choose to be at ringside and be a prominent figure at the Whyte/Chisora fight, even entering the ring at the end.
If you are a believer in logic then surely you must see that AJ and Whyte 2 is going to happen in April and the Chisora fight was merely an eliminator.
Top level, elite HOF, 9 loss, regional fighter, never held a world title Chisora? Wow! Your criteria for elite and HOF is extremely low
Eh, sorry dude but the initial quote was an example of the lowest form of wit...but you obviously got that before you posted
AJ turned up to Whyte-Chisora because the fight was taking place in his home town and it is with his same promotional company Matchroom, it is a stupid comparison to make.
You have reinforced the point I am making that AJ and the winner of that fight was a done deal through the same promotional company. It was probably within the contract Whyte and Chisora signed.
I would have preferred that AJ stayed at home and not given the Whyte rematch any oxygen, forcing Eddie to get either Fury or Wilder to the table.
I also find your constant reference to anyone that dares question AJ or Eddie Hearn as being a Wilder fan and/or American as ridiculous and a downright lazy and erroneous assumption.
The winner of Whyte/Chisora 2 was always getting the April fight with AJ. Same promoter keeps the money in house and boxing is a business after all.
Careful though Eddie. You better get either Fury or Wilder after that as even the most loyal AJ fan wants unification fights rather than repeats.
The fight itself was horrible to watch.
Fury is the most skilful of all the Heavyweights. He neutralizes his opponents strengths, which I agree, can make it a messy spectacle.
Fury is a nightmare matchup stylistically so you can understand Wilder and AJ's and Hearn's apprehension at facing him.
Boxing is a SPORT FIRST, and BUSINESS SECOND, Eddie Hearn though does seem more interested in Money than having intriguing fights so he is an oddity, the legacy and which fighters were better will last long after the money is gone, Wilder will beat Joshua inside of 4 rounds if they fight, there was a decisive winner when Joshua beat Whyte (Yes I know Whyte beat Joshua in the Amateurs) rather see Whyte against T. Fury or even H. Fury or Ortiz or Povetkin rather than a rematch.
It's a mix of both as being a boxer is a short(and dangerous) career, so the fighters should try and maximise their monetary gain.
All promoters should do that for their fighters as 'legacy' won't pay the bills when they retire, but there is a credibility gap with Eddie and AJ's opponents after the success of Wilder/Fury.
I personally believe Tyson Fury is 'the man' in the HW division but we must see the AJ/Fury/Wilder triumvirate play out and make this a Golden Era for the sport as a whole. That is good business.
What other attractions are there out there? Not many enigmatic characters in the game.
Broner if he stays disciplined and trains hard will have afew more big fights.
He has lost fights, but nobody has really beaten him up or destroyed him badly at all.
Unfortunately AB struggles with discipline as he does not have the physical advantages at 147 that he enjoyed at lighter weights.
Classic example of talented sportsmen, in many sports, not just boxing, that don't actually improve at their craft as they are unwilling to put in the hard work or listen to people wiser than them.
Hard work only beats talent if talent does not work hard.
'AB' now stands for 'Average Boxer'.
He got pushed around by Jeff Horn. There's a reason he's been taking these soft ass cherries; Pac can only beat bottom tier fighters now.
You have made my point that he is still good enough to get the better of 95pecent of the fighters at 140/147. Matthyse and Broner would satisfy that criteria.
The Horn fight was a hotly disputed decision which many observers thought that Pac did enough to win.
At least he is not dining on 21 year old Japanese boy band members for a payday.
Eddie should allow AJ to lick his wounds and reflect on the manner of his defeat, rather than spouting this rubbish.
It's strength of character that will determine whether AJ will return to the top, as it has for almost every single fighter out there, from all time greats to journeymen.
It's no disgrace to lose a fight but he was comprehensively beaten by Ruiz.
Saying it's an immense sense relief to have lost may have been the case if he was narrowly beaten on points but the only relief was that the referee called a halt to the action before AJ was seriously hurt.
Give that gob a holiday Eddie...
A promoter's job is to promote his fighters, giving the paying public the fights they want, which generates their clients(and themselves) the most money.
In this day of rent-a-quote social media there is too much light on the promoter, when it should be shade.
Publicity should be the preserve of the pugilists.
These days it would seem that even the promoter's have acquired a fan base of their own who hang on their every word.
Eddie's 'Empire' was built on the solid foundation of his father Barry, who was very effective in the 80's of doing the job description outlined above.
Having been at the fight I am disgusted and ashamed at that decision. I always thought corruption was a thing that occurred in far off shores carried out by the usual suspects...I was wrong. Josh is my guy and I know the weight cut murdered him and it showed. He was second in a two horse race and Jack Catterall was robbed off his dream of becoming a world champion. Josh needs to grant a rematch to restore integrity in the sport we love. I know making 140 for Josh is difficult but this win(?) needs to be avenged
Not for the first time I am a bit confused about some of the posts on a Boxingscene thread.
If Wilder is truly a (network) free agent then technically it should make it easier to make the fight. ESPN would be the platform as one of the fighters ie Fury, has a contractual obligation to appear on that network and both guys get huge exposure as well as a massive pay packet.
If Wilder signs an exclusive deal with one of the other networks then I fear we will have a year of discontent with none of the top 3 fighting each other.
But until that happens, it should be a done deal...should it not?
Even at 40, a 90 percent Pacman is still too much for 95 percent of fighters out there. Unbelievable career and hopefully this will be his penultimate fight before hanging them up for good.
Unfortunately for Eddie his plan of serving up Whyte or Chisora in April to AJ is up in the air with the unexpected success of Wilder - Fury.
Here's hoping his enthusiasm for an undisputed champion in the AJ/Wilder/Fury triumvirate lasts even if it means an 0 for his fighter.
I son those feather and lightweight midgets, I'm a full grown man. I'd knock Bumchenko in one but probably need to crack bum Salidoe a couple times to do him in.
Your fixation with bum's and cracks may indicate an underlying issue. I'm sure you are a full grown man with plenty of experience of being battered around the ring...
The end is now Anthony. Enjoy the second part of your life with your faculties intact.
That was a scary, face first knockdown.
I can understand why a fighting man would not like to go out like that but it's time to call it a day.
Wish you all the best as you've overcome adversity before and came back, but I fear the well is dry.
FACTS BRO!
Orlando Salidoe is trash! He lost to Juan Manuel Marquez at his first attempt at the unified champion, cheated Robert Guerrero at his second attempt to win the IBF by taking steroids ; whooped by a bigger bum in Cristobal Cruz in his third attempt at a world title ( IBF ).
And finally won the IBF featherweight title by doing something Bumchenko has never done, avenged his loss to bum Cristobal Cruz, BUT, immediately lost it to Yorkis Gamboa!
Whats this bums best win? Juanma Lopez? Rocky Martinez? Yeah he was robbed vs. Martinez in the second fight? Is that me arguing hes good? NO.
So what one of his twelve defeats were at your hands?
Just so I can watch on YouTube how you handled him
the only 8 weight division champ in the history of the sport or any other sport..
a once in a lifetime athlete, maybe no one can top this feat like forever..
love him or hate him, he achieved nobody has done before... you can retire undefeated but there are others who is also undefeated.. 8 division champ man that is too much.
Yes my friend, once in a lifetime talent that ducked no fighter. The night he dominated a clearly larger Margarito was one I will always remember.
His career and legay demands that he leaves the ring on his feet rather than his shield.
The beauty of boxing is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has their favourite in the HW division but it should be possible to be a fan of one and not automatically be dismissive of the others or label them as no hopers.
Tyson Fury set the cat amongst the pigeons with his amazing comeback. In fact Eddie H even doubted that the first meeting with Wilder/Fury would go ahead...as he was dreading there being three credible HW's out there.
Only two can fight in the square ring meaning that someone was always going to be left out. A bit of humble pie for Eddie is not a bad thing.
He was able to call the shouts when Wilder was the only other Big Dog out there but having three means that his high handed approach to other fighters has back fired.
I suspect AJ may have felt the chill, as for the first time in his career, he is out in the cold as the HW division becomes red hot....and it won't have gone unnoticed.
NO, Bumchenko lost to a brawler with a dozen losses in Salidoe, he then got another undeserved opportunity ( TWICE IN A ROW ) vs. a green Gary Russell jr -- neither ranked in the top ten, one coming off a loss. How is that legit?
Vasily moved up to Superfeather and beat the great Rocky Martinez, who robbed Salidoe in the rematch: Another average opponent who was not even ranked top five.
I find it astonishing the way that Salido is constantly dismissed. He must be the only multiple world champion that gets written off as a nobody...especially by your good self.
You discredit him in the first paragraph and then declare him the victim of a robbery in the second...
Also, I think you have a problem with 'green' people...
Pac is still more than a match for 95 percent of the Welterweights out there...even at 40.
It's a win/win situation for both fighters. Spence gets the highest profile name on his resume and earns millions of dollars and Pac gets the payday he undoubtedly craves.
Of course the younger, fresher man would be favourite.
However a fellow southpaw with undoubted skills and unrivalled experience will pose questions to Spence that his opponents so far have been able to ask.
Fury just got $20m per fight, it was rumored that the camps were negotiating a 50/50 for the rematch, and Arum comes out of the gate with bull**** about Fury not seeing his value.
Are you really trying to act confused here? Do you honestly think that ESPN is going to offer Wilder $20m+ for a one-off fight?
**** no, lol.
Reading the tea leaves, Arum is going to try and offer short of $20m (against 50% of some back-end number after everything is covered and he gets his piece; basically little to no extra money) and then also look to get an option on Wilder's next fight (may even be bold enough to ask for multiple options).
And it'll be a rolling fight-by-fight Top Rank longterm deal, lol.
Open your eyes
My eyes are wide open. I was merely highlighting that if Wilder was indeed a free agent there would be no barriers to not making the re-match happen, despite Fury signing with ESPN.
That was what Wilder said in the article. If you are not going to bother reading it, at least read the title.
I didn't speculate about what may or may not happen with either fighter in their future career neither, merely that us boxing fans would prefer an immediate rematch. I'll leave that to an expert like yourself.
Quit the tea and drink coffee...helps improve brain function
Frank Warren is a Euro nuthugger,& like most white men in Boxing hes incredibly biased to white fighters. Go ahead & call me racist for saying the truth lomaphrodites.
The fact that Barry Hearn is a white European male somewhat diminishes your argument.
Yuck! I can understand how fighters from overseas are reluctant to come to the UK and fight Fast Eddie's fighters...even a fellow Brit got jobbed.
I have no doubt that Smith underestimated Ryder as he has the tools to have made that fight easier but wrongly chose to fight on the inside.
It was a razor thin decision either way and the resultant score cards were ridiculous.
Poor night for Smith and the judges...