The guys back in the day had A LOT more heart. Not necessarily that they had more heart than Manny or Margarito but back then heart wasn't even a trait, it was expected. Fighting 3-4 times in a 2 or 3 months and even more in some cases is crazy to fathom nowadays. Or Broner's hands being held as he went back to the locker room... that just wouldn't happen. I think that's the biggest difference overall, but today's fighters make up for that with athleticism as others have stated.
It's no different than if LeBron, Jordan or even Magic Johnson went back to the 50's they wouldn't absolutely dominate the game. Chamberlin just had a size advantage he wasn't doing the things Charles Barkley or Shaq were doing in their primes. Take a smaller guy like Chris Paul even and he wouldn't lose a game to Jerry West. Just too much speed, reaction time and complete different style than what they've seen. Now, that toughness again would overcome the inability to keep up with those things for a lot of older fighters, but I'm positive a lot of guys would compete even with a much smaller talent pool as stated.
Not looking to promising right now man..Cotto demanding 75 percent
Well it's called being a smart businessman. Floyd is talking to Cotto about a rematch as well in case this Manny thing doesn't work out. So Cotto might as well get as much money out of Canelo and Floyd by making them outbid, there is nothing wrong with what he's doing.
Also, Arum BADLY wants to make that Floyd/Manny fight. Assuming it happens he'll get money from that fight AND Cotto/Canelo because that'll be made if Floyd fights Manny.
As for what Dunn said, WOW, Oscar has got Haymon by the balls if what you said is true about holding Schaefer hostage. Now I can see why Arum was throwing Danny's name around.
I think Haymon has the same plan as Arum in house fights. IMO Haymon is saving his fighters from taking fights to put them in tough fights when he gets that deal with NBC. If he doesn't get that deal and he continues to have his stable of fighters basically on a "bum of the month" tour I will agree that Haymon is a problem. I know Haymon doesn't give interviews so we don't where he stands when it comes to other promoters. It was Arum who has come out said he won't work with Haymon not the other way around.
If it isn't obvious by after being taken off the #1 boxing programming station in the US, getting tossed from Golden Boy and having a CEO of CBS negotiate a Manny fight then nothing will ever show you that Haymon is a problem. Not after what Arum has said or even Kathy Duva flat out saying "Haymon does make fights, he stops them from happening." I mean you can even get google on your PC for christ sake, if Haymon own MS you couldn't use your ipod, google or go on amazon.com with your computer.
Your boy did that number as well his last outing, lets not forget that. Floyd/Cotto 2 will not come anywhere near 1.4 buys if it were to happen again. The first time around it was a big relevant fight. There is no logical reason for a rematch, it was a one-sided fight, only you Cotto fans want to see it because theres no risk involved in fighting Floyd, where losing to him is not the worse thing. If Floyd does fight Cotto it would be just to spite Canelo for taking his "dates".
A hypothetical Canelo/GGG ppv will do way better then Angulo or Lara 300k buys. If I had to compare it, it would probably something along the lines of a Chavez Jr/Martinez 500k buys. Possibly even more since Canelo is a bigger star then Chavez Jr was, and GGG is considered the best in his division just like Martinez was back in 2012...
If it wasn't a competitive fight why did Floyd say it was his hardest fight ever? People were saying Cotto was going to be Gatti'd by Floyd and it got 1.5 million and Cotto made people say Floyd was getting old :lol1: That was like 4 years ago now, Floyd is just now starting to get old and slow down it wasn't 4 years ago.
Also Canelo's best draw was 300k without Floyd. Cotto did 1.25 million, or 600k without Pac it's still double Canelo's best drawing power. Just stop, Canelo is not a bigger draw or even a better fighter than Cotto.
too bad is top rank negotiating for cotto on this fight, so i dont think loeffler is going to bring floyd to the table in this negotiations...
Cotto prefers to work with Top Rank, with the exception being Mayweather. You can't even compare a win against Canelo to what it would be like for Cotto to beat Floyd. When Cotto beats Canelo people will say he was overhyped and had his ankle cut off and re-attached right before he entered the ring. Being the first person to beat Floyd will instantly put Cotto in ATG status.
It is Lampley...WTF do you expect
Pacquiao fans really going to be pissed off when he is biased towards Algieri tonight :lol1:
HBO would LOVE for Algieri to win tonight
Seriously. Aligieri would be a huge star in the US overnight if he beat Manny, especially by KO. That isn't going to happen, (he might win) but he's not going KO Manny I don't think.
cotto has a better chance of beating canelo than he does beating Floyd.
and cotto has never cracked a million ppv without Floyd or pacquiao as the A side.
cotto is a great draw at the gate. he isn't that big of a draw on ppv. cotto did the same 300k with Martinez a fighter that has been on ppv before, that canelo did with lara a guy who has never been on ppv.
Margarito had never been on PPV and Cotto got 400k with him. Cotto even got Paulie on PPV and got 275k buys and neither guy had been on PPV before that. Cotto's WORST buyrate without Manny or Floyd is about the same as Canelo's BEST buyrate without an A side.
Freddie I think does a great overall job as a trainer. Maybe it's just because he has a lot of fighters so he is on TV a lot more than other trainers but his guys always come in shape. They are also all pretty respectful of the sport which brings me to Robert Garcia.
I think he does very well in bringing a gameplan and getting his fighter mentally ready for a fight. I'm tired of his fighters not making a weight which I feel is unprofessional and disrespectful. Not to mention what happened with Freddie in China between him and Ariza, Garcia should be a boss in there not a friend. He should have gotten that entire situation in control.
Nacho is good but only based on past pupils, no one exceptional stands out right now except for Marquez and that's steroids not Nacho (lately.) GGG's trainer is solid as well but he talks too much, especially now. I almost feel he wants the fight more than GGG just so he can get the paycheck.
i mean, you consider this the best version of cotto???
i just want to make sure you give preprime canelo full credit for beating the best version of cotto when its all said and done...
Pre-prime? How much better do you think Canelo is going to get after already having 40+ pro fights lol? The best version of Cotto was [re-Margarito and 140, but this is the best version since then, definitely. But Canelo isn't beating Cotto, it's just not going to happen, Saul simple isn't good enough.
Tell me why Mexicans would buy a rematch to see floyd potshot over a guy he already beat over a guaranteed action fight with A Mexican and a knockout artist?
Because nobody knows who GGG is yet, it's just that simple. I can't believe people are comparing a guy who draws 300k without Floyd and a guy who's never been on PPV to the drawing power of Cotto vs Floyd. Most mexicans are also smart boxing fans and they even realize that Cotto has a better shot against Floyd than Canelo does against GGG.
we saw what happen with floyd vs cotto already. why would the rematch be bigger than the first time?
Who said it has to be bigger? It will do a lot more than at least 50% more buys than Floyd's last two fights. That's what matters. You can think Cotto only won 2 rounds or whatever crap fl*mo's think, but Floyd admitted Cotto was his toughest fight, the rematch would be even closer and really... Floyd has slowed down more than Cotto has since their fight. In fact, I'd be inclined to say Cotto has gotten better while Floyd has gotten worse since that fight.
your nothing but a dick riding fanboy ass Cotto lover. Obviously A Floyd win will do wonders for ANYBODYS career. But you act like a Canelo win will do nothing for Cotto. Stop comparing the two. Beating a young strong lion on the brink of superstardom will look damn good on the resume and will be a hit financially, belt or no belt, he already has a belt from beating a handicap anywa. You think Canelo is your average B-side fighter? a Margarito? a Mosley? If Cotto wins, it would be his best win period. Cottotards like yourself are just scared of Canelo/GGG.
What are you so pissed off about? I haven't mentioned d*ck at all, you bring up it and somehow I'm supposed to be the g*y one? This guy...
Why are we afraid of Canelo? He hasn't knocked out a JMW in his career except for a bad stoppage over Angulo, who was a D class fighter anyway. His last KO before that was Josesito Lopez was a JWW. Do yourself a favor and just stop posting.
Would be nice if Haymon makes May-Cotto on Cinco de Mayo, while Golden Boy makes Canelo-Golovkin on the same date.
Which one would be the bigger fight?
Is this even a question? Mayweather/Cotto would squash Canelo/GGG, GGG isn't a draw yet by any means. He put 9k people in seats, but he hasn't even been on a big PPV undercard. No casuals will buy that fight if it's up against Floyd/Cotto.
ill rather watch canelo-ggg or cotto-canelo than canelo-floyd2... hell even canelo-pac will be bigger...
you make floyd-cotto2 and you dont get floyd-pac and cotto-canelo... same goes if you make floyd-canelo2...
Floyd-Pac isn't going to happen, Floyd is scared.
Pac-Canelo isn't going to happen because Canelo is way, way too big.
So they only fight we might not get is Cotto/Canelo and that's fine with me. Canelo is young and will be around for a long time but the guy hasn't done sh*t in boxing, he has nothing to offer Cotto. He has no belt, he does nothing for his legacy at this point and just brings in money.
Beating Mayweather brings in way more legacy than Canelo EVER will, Floyd has a title Cotto could go after (his title) and at worst Cotto will make the same money as he would fighting Canelo. The only person who NEEDS this fight is Canelo, so please just stop begging for it. If it happens, it happens but it just means you'll see Canelo lose again I'm not sure why you guys are so anxious to see it. Did you just ignore what Floyd did to Canelo? And Trout? And Lara?
Well, first of all, its on Cinco de Mayo. Mexican fans would probably prefer Mexican style. Second, GGG is riping for big PPV. His first ever PPV can be a smashing hit by may of next year. Support from Mexican fans he gets is unreal.
So you think Mexicans are going to buy a PPV with Canelo over Floyd/Cotto 2 because GGG has a Mexican style? So does Cotto he's just as entertaining as GGG is and he actually speaks spanish and is a DRAW. I like GGG as much as the next guy but you must be on crack thinking him with Canelo get more buys than Floyd/Cotto. :lol1:
There was a left Cotto threw from a southpaw stance at the very end of the second round in the first Margarito fights. I mean Cotto cracked Margatio and he smiled and Cotto looked back at him like how could he take that shot... I was like this guy is not getting KO'd after that. Really just about any Margatio fight he got hit with something that would KO normal men.
again is top rank negotiating cotto-canelo, dont think that they will bring floyd to the table when it comes to negotiations, maybe cotto wants it but thats a different story, even penagaricano already said they dont give a damn about floyd...
I'm sure they don't, but that fat check he brings will be bigger than what Canelo, HBO, TR, or Golden Boy can offer. Cotto/Canelo is maybe... 1 million buys, it's close and think it can reach it. But Floyd/Cotto 2 would do just as much as the first fight did at 1.5 million there's too much draw power from Floyd to match anything he offers. Besides, he could offer the same amount of money and Cotto would still take Floyd. Another loss, as long as he looks good really doesn't hurt his image, a loss to Canelo would. It's like the Sergio Martinez fight when Cotto picked him, he got less money but went for legacy, to some guys that matters just as much as the money. Canelo is young, that fight will be available for some time.
If the Floyd fight can't be made, what do you think about Pacquaio vs Crawford?
I think it's bullsh*t and hope Manny loses so he would leave boxing if that were to happen. That's Ron Salsa levels of bullsh*t right there, not because Crawford isn't good because Manny is levels about Crawford, LEVELS.
this is why boxing is so fuçked up...
boxing needs floyd-pac and canelo-cotto... time to man up...
I'm not even worried about Canelo, his corner has the victory all sealed up for Cotto. The fact is that beating Floyd would be better for his career and legacy than beating Canelo, fact. Boxing isn't f*cked up because of that, how is it? You know damn well if there were rumblings of a Canelo rematch against Floyd that'd be better for Canelo's legacy should he win and his pocketbook. The only one scared is Oscar because he might not get Canelo the Cotto fight or May 2nd because of Floyd.
Canelo also won't fight GGG, not yet anyway. 2 fights at 155 against JMW's who have under 50 KO% rates don't get you ready for GGG.
Floyd had an easy fight against Maidana, I don't think he deserves another easy fight against Pacqiuao.
Pacquiao is not on his level and I don't see a competitive fight at all. I would rather see Mayweather-Garcia.
A true test of floyds will and greatness.
Floyd's got problems from his daddies at Showtime, he doesn't have a say.
so canelo has the chance to beat the best version of cotto?
Of course he does, just like he had a chance to beat Mayweather. The outcome will be mostly the same.
Cotto already said he is going to be with top rank until end of career
and floyd doesnt deal with top rank
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Cotto also said he really wants a Floyd rematch. I'm sure the money and chance at beating Floyd again has him telling Top Rank to stay out of it again. This is the only way Floyd fights in May if he doesn't face Manny. Floyd knows there is no one he can fight that will outdraw Cotto/Canelo other than Manny.
That's a good point
Steroid-free too unlike Marquez who is a steroid specimen of epic proportions
This is dead accurate. I attribute it to Bradleys ATG dome though, one of those dinosaurs with the bones around the skull couldn't crack that thing open.
Wow, Cotto better than Pac? The fight I watched in 2009 had Pac beating the shyt out of and stopping Cotto. Maybe there is another Cotto and Pac you are referring to? enlighten us.
If you think the Cotto that fought Pac is the same guy now, you need some Roger Mayweather advice. They are the same person technically, but they are nowhere near the same fighters. I mean seriously you need to take 13 pounds of muscle off of Cotto just to get him at the weight. Add the fact that he had no trainer and he was still reeling mentally from the Marg loss, totally different fighter it's not even comparable.
Floyd is not going to rematch Cotto, Maidana did enough to deserve a rematch. Cotto did not. Winning 2 rounds against Mayweather does not warrant a rematch. Mayweather is fighting Garcia or Brook next.
Cotto won more than 2 rounds, but let's say he didn't. More people think Cotto has a better shot in a rematch, that Maidana did. Every single round was close except for 1, 1 and 11, 12 and 6 and 8 for Cotto. Those rounds were pretty clear as to who won the rounds, however, the other ones while I wouldn't call of them toss ups were, close and very, very tough rounds. Cotto has gotten better, a rematch will favor Mayweather but he will look much worse than he did the first time.
You should be all for this fight. Floyd will get his biggest payday and he gets another easy fight which is obviously what you're calling for.
Canelo would beat Cotto IMO. And then Cotto would call it Quits. That means no Cotto for GGG, And that doesn't help GGG when it comes to becoming PPV.
He Needs To Fight Both
Once he is done with them, then they can fight each other.
You act as if no one thinks that... EVERYONE thinks GGG kills Cotto. GGG kills and rapes every single fighter below 160. So just stop acting like that hurts our feelings or is some great epiphany you've discovered.