ok then...explain to me your logic
You can't just go around jumping weight divisions like this and pretend that what will be a likely be a loss won't affect your career prospects at 160 or have any adversary effects...
He's fighting at 160 anyway in Oct against Lemieux so this whole thing is pointless, what's the reason for even talking about it?
"what will likely be a loss" explains why its not logical to you....because its logical ...ggg just doesnt want a fight hes not favored in....even though hes saying hell take on 168....dont act like fighters havent jumped up and back down in their next fight....ggg would have potentially a year to recover from a 168 fight to fight canelo and get a tuneup in between
A compeletely risky and nonsensical strategy, be glad you're not a promoter/advisor because all your fighters and you yourself would be broke as ****.
Why not WAIT FOR CANELO/COTTO and THEN fight Ward?
He's 33 years old with like 30 pro-fights... Why hasn't he proven himself is the problem. Not that he hasn't, he had more than enough time to prove himself already.
Need help? Look what Floyd, Manny and Cotto had accomplished when they were 33 years old. Now look at GGG.
Stop making excuses for a guy fighting bums and saying "he needs to prove himself." What better way to prove yourself than beating the undefeated 168 pound king? Oh that's right, let's beat up on 4 loss Cotto and hype-job Canelo, that's proving himself. Fighting smaller men, wow, what an accomplishment. He's done that his entire career at MW beat up on smaller guys, it's embarrassing.
GGG started later than those guys, compare their amateur careers though. Let's see who accomplished more there.
Manny didn't have an amateur career and Floyd and Cotto had just a solid amateur careers. They did more in their amateur careers (winning medals at Olympics) than GGG has done in his pro career lol. But who the f*ck cares about the amateurs? Seriously this is the pro's muh f*cka... when a guy hasn't done much in the NFL you don't say "Well he was in college and the CFL, look what they did THERE!"
WTF kind of dumbass argument is that?
My point was that those guys all turned pro earlier than him and thus had far more time to establish themselves by the age of 33.... Your comparison is nonsense... Not to mention that Golovkin had promotional issues for quite a while with his promoter Universum and that has been a big blockade for him.
If you want to make a comparison between GGG and some other pro boxer, at least try and pick a fighter who turned pro at the same age as him..... Or at least compare what they've done the same numbers of years they've been professionals.
Who cares if they turned pro earlier, we can go by number of fights. Floyd and Cotto have done more in the number of fights than GGG did. We can play this game all day and I'll win because GGG's resume is sh*t. Because MW is sh*t. Someone said he fought top 10 MW's... And? Who gives a sh*t if they suck? Why would we compare the number of years they've been pro's? Why don't we compare the number of years Floyd and Cotto were amateurs then since your so big on that number. It's irrelevant. Forget age, forget years in the game just go by number of pro fights and compare resumes. GGG gets SH*T ON.
Stop with "he had promoter issues..." "He started late..." That's his problem, not mine. It's excuses for something you were just trying to defend. So which is it? Has done well at MW or is it not as good because of promotional issues?
Also, not a Ward fan at all to whoever the idiot said I was. I just hold a guy to his word when he runs his mouth. I think he's a good fighter but he's been guided very well to look good, all he has to do is fight Ward to prove he's got the goods. That's all it takes and he had the fight right there and didn't take it. Why does he have to move up? He doesn't, neither did Cotto he can make 154 just fine. Neither did Floyd when he moves up to 154 he can make 147 just fine and goes back down.
They did it for LEGACY and money. Fighting Ward means more money and GGG's first real shot a big name win and if he were to win he'd get instant credibility. And again, I don't even like Ward. But he's a good fighter, the best fighter GGG would have faced by a mile and that's all I'm asking of him. Everyone knows he beats Cotto and Canelo, he beats anyone at 160 and under. I've seen him beat the sh*t out of people, let's see him challanged in a fair fight. The fact that GGG fans have a problem with that is the sad part. Defending a clear duck while begging to fight guys in their 4th weightclass and GGG "doesn't have to move up." Because he's little doe.
Okay man, you're really spazzing out for whatever reason and it looks retarded, if you want to compare them, I have no problem with that, just do it at the same point in their careers.
If you wanna compare Floyd, Pac and Cotto at 33 fights versus GGG, I've no problem with that....
(That was my entire point)
Maybe not most but a lot of them.
Bhop and kostya were constantly brought up in those days for dominating there weight class for so long.
Moving up in weight was never considered mandatory thats for damn sure.
If you.do it.great, but it was never expected.
If ward and ggg want to stay in there weight classes no one should hold it against them.
Blame Pac, Floyd and their stupid fanboys for this.
once ward moves up to 175 hes prob never coming back down...since all of his business would be finished there
if ggg were to fight ward now...or in oct.....hed still prob have a year to come back down to 160 for canelo.....if cotto wins hes not fighting ggg...canelo might...but canelo prob wouldnt come right back with ggg after cotto....so ur looking at oct/nov of next year for ggg/canelo match....that gives ggg almos a year to get back to 160...more than enough time
Such ridiculous logic, it doesn't work like that man....
So much for free speech.
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Doesn't exist in Europe. If you're from America luckily you still have that privillege.
Since when are HBO, Golden Boy, Top Rank and Kathy Duva EVERYBODY? The other EVERYBODY (The rest of the promoters) that are not the aforementioned don't seem to have a problem with him.
His main rival promoters in America are against him, I don't care if he has a good relationship with Hearn and GYM.
HBO is not causing these fights not to happen. Both Stevenson and Beterbiev are welcome to make career high money on HBO vs Kovalev. But in some imaginary world they could be making more money, so they'd rather pass and fight for less
Hey man, the way I view it, if the champ gives you a chance to fight for three titles and you're a contender, you take it. Not waiting for some purse bid to min/max your profits, you snatch the opportunity, how many times does this happen? Beterbiev and his team ****ed up, they had their chance and they blew it.
Well.......GBP was completely destroyed and became Canelo and friends. He had no other choice but to make up with everybody else.
The problem with you guys is you want HBO to win. You're team HBO. So you don't see that both sides are full of **** and bad for the sport.
I'm not an HBO stan, as long as the fights are happening I don't care WHERE they happen. They're not happening now, the problem is Haymon. Thing is that you guys don't like HBO, but you know what, at least they've delivered to us for many years, what has Haymon done other than making the sport more and more bull**** since he came in?
....Imagine there's no Haymon.... It's easy if you try.
WTF? What damage, other than the 8+ million Floyd PPV's that HBO would have had all the money from.
If HBO gets rid of Herschman, the next guy might allow Haymon back.
You don't even know what the plan is, yet you want it to fail.
The damage in their relationship is irrepairable, the rift that's been created between the two is too wide. His plan is to build a boxing empire, that much is clear. However, he's failing at it, the fights are not catching people's interest, he's continuing the Haymon tradition and it's not going to work, he can't have it all.
But he's too greedy, and that will ultimately prove to be his downfall. If PBC fails, he might step away from boxing and we'll finally be able to enjoy the sport once more.
Bro. Look from both perspectives. Don't be biased towards one side.
As fans, we both want this fight to happen. The most fair way for it to happen is for it to go to purse bid. We cannot force promoters and networks to work together and we cannot tell fighters how much money they should be making. Purse bids solve these problems and get fights like Russell/Lomachenko signed and sealed.
Duva has no idea what she is doing and is desperate because she can not compete with the big dogs. She cannot be in control if she is not willing to make competitive offers.
I look at it on case by case basis rather than looking at everything in black and white, yes we know Duva doesn't do purse bids as they don't want to risk fighting off HBO and some of the blame lies with her for this, I'm not saying they're innocent.... But, knowing this I think Team Beterbiev should still compromise to make this fight happen, just given the difference in what Kovalev brings to the table and he does.
All I know is if the real issue is seeing the fights we want-HBO lifting the ban on haymon helps resolve this issue. That would make a lot of fights possible.
If the issue is something else-like HBO facing competition-well there is no way to stop that from happening.
Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible. Haymon has been at the centre of their problems and the damage is irrepairable. He's got to go, and the only way for that to happen is for his PBC masterplan to fail, but that will create many problems of its own.
I watch every HBO fight that comes on, as I do every SHO fight and as many PBC as I can catch.
I don't hate HBO, I am upset that their position relative to Haymon is preventing fights I want. I am asking them to drop their position to make it possible for fights I want to see to happen.
How is that not liking HBO?
Look man, HBO has been dealing with many promoters in their boxing tenure, if they have a problem with that little rascal than he must have done something to piss them off.
Stevenson pulled a coward move. You get no brownie points for that criticism because that's what you are supposed to do as a boxing fan. In this case, Team Beterbiev is looking to become Kovalev's mandatory and allow the fight to go to purse bid, so may the best man win.
I don't get what you're saying, I said I criticized team Duva and Kovalev when they pulled out of the purse bid after talking Stevenson ducking them for ages, not Stevenson, of course back before that when he jumped ship to showtime I criticized him as well.
Why does he need to become the mandatory? Kovalev is offering him the fight here and now for three belts, not one. They even said before HBO was fine and talked up all this game about being ready to fight Kovalev any time and beating him. We all know what it is, they found a safer way, under Haymon's tutelage..
He was fine with HBO until they changed management. Herschman wanted to reduce the budget so he got rid of Haymon. Fine, but don't try and make it because Haymon was doing something.
He was getting his fighters the most money possible, no different than any other manager.
If you think reduced budget is the only reason they're not dealing with him you're being naive.
People want to pretend Ward is some great fighter when the only thing he did was conqueror the weak ass Super Middleweight division. Hyping up B class fighters don't make them better than what they are.
What are you talking about man, he also beat the Walking Dead version of Chad Dawson
The only reason it's on ppv is because HBO budget couldnt cover both guys purses and you guys are proud of that? Lol standards getting lowered here I see
GGG is in for the big money, Ward stay fighting on undercards :D
It doesn't even matter who started what, fact is, the guy has burnt too many bridges with other promoters and we're at the receiving end of it. He's just a ****ty influence on the sport. PBC has been trash.
Jesus you're demented. Have a bloke die for boxing?
Arum has more promotional talent in his pinky than Haymon does in his whole body.
Oh, and people like Arum and Don King don't die. Younger generation of promoters will die before they do.
He needs to retire and stop ****ing over the sport then. He's unwelcome by boxing fans, he's a shrewd weasel.