Why are so many ginger fans crying over a freaking pound? ginger weighted 153 pounds in his last fight, stop with the excuses because 1 pound is not going to make a difference, why don't you say $h1t when ginger was fighting jww? He is going to be taken to school anyway, beside he is going to weight like 175 pounds the night of the fight so that little pound means $h1t, he offered fraud to fight at 150 last year, and you guys were saying that fraud was ducking master duck the ginger, he gave him two more pounds and 12 M, ginger ain't $h1t...
What makes you think I am a Canelo fan? I am not. I was rooting for Trout against him. I have rooted against him in all of his previous fights.
I was furious when he fought Josesito Lopez. That bout should have never been sanctioned. It's yet another black eye for the Vegas comission that it was. And I posted about this right here on boxingscene at the time.
I have always been against belts changing hands in CW bouts. I have always criticized fighters like Pacquiao who win fake belts at CWs.
As to why someone would think 2 pounds are important, that is a whole nother discussion that has been covered many times already.
Professional boxing is a business and like any other business negotiations take place, each party try to gain advantages, in this case Fraud remember that ginger offer him a CW of 150, so he started with that and they agreed to 152, since ginger is the 154 "ring magazine" belt holder and the fight takes place at that weight, the belt is on the line, how can you unify a 154 belt (I believe they are three on the line, Sulaiman most had approved) and leave the "ring" out, so when ginger get schooled and lose his two "belts" is he going to be a "ring" belt holder without being a world champion?
Holding the Ring title doesn't have anything to do with the alphabet soup titles. So yes, he should reamain the Ring 154 champ in the event of losing his alphabet titles in a 152 pound CW bout.
I seriously doubt Floyd will school Canelo. He barely scraped by DLH at 154. Some people had him losing that bout. It's not like he beat up DLH or something - he ran like a scared rabbit and won on points. He didn't look so great against Cotto, who is not on Canelo's level as a LMW. I wasn't even that impressed with his last performance, against a lightweight fighting as a WW. He is looking like he has lost a step and he has never fought anyone like Canelo before. I won't be surprised if Floyd wins. He could run like a rabbit again and potshot to victory. And Canelo does have pretty bad stamina. The idea he is going to beat the **** of Canelo is just silly though.
because Canelo agreed to it.
So fighter's own the Ring belt? They can sell it? They can use it as a bargaining chip?
They can agree to fight for their alphabet belts under totally different rules? Like Canelo could offer up his belts in negotiations and fight Chavez at 168?
Are you sure you have thought this through?
No it's not wrong... a JMW is 147+ not weighing over 154. ANYTHING between 147+ and 154- is a JMW and any fight taking place between 147+ and 154- IS JMW hence why the commissions and organizations recognize these fights as JMW with titles and all. You might not recognize it but that does not mean you are interpreting the rules correct and everyone else is wrong. This is a JMW fight as it takes place between 147+ and 154-. There is no other way to slice it.
You are still wrong. Read the thread, read the definition of weight classes and read the definition of what a catch weight is. This should help you to understand why you have it backwards. If you are still confused, stop posting.
You're the one who appears lost. Talking about context Chavez would be a fight at super middleweight.
That's the whole point you moron. Wow, a LOT of low IQs on this site. People can't even follow simple logic.
Sorry, I have to put you on ignore. I can't waste my time on people who can't grasp simple concepts.
Any bout scheduled between 148-154 is considered jmw.
No.
A JMW bout is one where you can weigh up to 154. That's it people, there is no other definition.
A bout with a max weight of 148 is not a JMW bout.
A bout with a max weight of 149 is not a JMW bout.
A bout with a max weight of 150 is not a JMW bout.
A bout with a max weight of 151 is not a JMW bout.
A bout with a max weight of 152 is not a JMW bout.
A bout with a max weight of 153 is not a JMW bout.
In the JMW weight class, you can weigh UP TO 154. Not up to 152, up to 154. There is no other definition.
A bout with a max weight of 152 is being fought at a CATCH WEIGHT.
OK, I won't explain this stuff again. I give up now.
the same way all the other belts are on the line. the orgs allow catchweights. always have probably always will. i dont agree with it, but seriously its just the crappy ring belt anyways. whats worse imo is the lineal title is pretty much up for grabs as well. not sure how i feel about that. ill wait to see how canelo looks at the weigh in.
Yeah, I understand the alphabet soup organizatons are a god damn joke. I know why their titles can be fought for at catchweights - because they only care about money. They would break any rule if they could get away with it and profit from it.
But the Ring belt? The Ring rankings are *supposed* to be held to a higher standard.
If they start claiming the lineal belt is also on the line, that is likewise bull****.
because the magazine is owned by the two fighter's promoter.
people were suspicious of a boxing promoter influencing the bible of boxing and those people's suspicions have been confirmed with the shady p4p rankings of canelo and broner.
Have any boxing journalists openly started to question the Ring's objectivity and integrity? I still see many writers putting a lot of stock in the Ring ratings and holding them up as more pure than the alphabet soup ones.
Still haven't put me on ignore yet?
Or do you not believe that concept exists either?
I don't know how to use this website. Please help me. How do I put you on ignore?
Edit: nevermind, figured it out.
Let me just add this too. The way the IBO class weights is this. Junior Middleweight - Not over 154 lbs. (69.85 Kgs.). So you ask yourself is this fight above 154? No, is it above 147? Yes. So what is it? JMW according to IBO rules. This is the same wording with most of the organizations and commissions.
This wording supports what I am saying. If it did not, then a bout with a CW of 104 would be a JMW bout. So would every other bout at below the JMW limit. This is obviously not the case. Not all bouts contracted below 154 are JMW bouts. Even hugigo and friends know this.
The wording means that you can weigh up to 154. It doesn't say anything about 147 because that has nothing to do with it. You can weigh below 147 . There is no lower limit.
You can weigh up to 154. That's it... nothing else. Why is this hard for you people to understand? It is a simple concept.
148-154 is junior middleweight. Its completely legit since this is a JMW fight. 154 is simply the maximum weight.
Not true. Junior Middleweight means you can weigh a maximum of 154. It does not mean you must weigh 148-154. It means you can weigh anything UP TO 154. You can weigh 146. You can weigh 140. You can weigh anything UP TO 154. That's the definition of the Junior Middleweight weight class.
This fight is being contested at a maximum weight of 152. This is not a Jnr. MW bout.
No you can't because that would make it a welterweight bout.
If one guy weighs 146 and the other guy weighs 154 then it is a WW bout? You are not even reading what we are writing.
There is no lower limit. Some people thought that, but it was wrong. There is no lower limit. They set a maximum but not a minimum because there is no need for a minimum (assuming a competent commission, which is actually a bad assumption but that is another matter).
Please don't tell me I am supposed to have you on ignore. I know - I am trying.
No, fighters can agree on a specific weight inside of the weight class if they want. It's happened literally for over 100 years.
The Ring belt has literally been fought for under catchweights for 100 years? You guys keep coming up with stunning new information.
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I guess we need to re-open the thread since a completely incorrect definition of the LMW weight class was given.
Maybe some other people will understand the question.
If you can't come in at 153, 154 which is JMW how can it be called a JMW fight? It can't, it's a catch-weight fight and no title should be contested.
DING DING DING
I don't care how the alphabet soup orgs want to handle this kind of thing, because they have zero integrity. But the Ring belt is supposed to be different. And Ring Magazine is supposed to be independent from GBP.
If DLH and Schaefer are in charge of decisions concerning Ring rankings, we need to know that.
I can't believe people watch boxing intently and don't get it.
The rules basically imply that the weight class is determined as being above the one below. In other words JMW = 147+. Any weight over 147 is JMW. There is no upper limit but when you hit above 154 you are now hitting the lower limit of the Middleweight division. If two fighters agree to fight at JMW they are agreeing to a fight at 147+ without going into the middleweight division. If two fighters want to place an upper limit on the 147+ division then that is up to them. In this instance the fight will have a limit of 152 but it is still a 147+ fight therefore it is still a recognized division of JMW.
Totally wrong. Read the thread. You have it exactly backwards.
Then what weight class is this happening in?
Unknown?
I already answered this once. It is not taking place at any of the standard weights. It is a CATCH WEIGHT. I am not going to answer this again.
The catweight is in the JMW bracket, that makes it a JMW fight. If they set the catchweight to 148, that'd still be a JMW fight.
They can weight whatever they want as long as it's below the contracted weight.
Even your wiki quote's first sentence agrees:
JMW weight range = 147.1 - 154
Like I said, 148 is within that range and if you wanted to make a fight that is classified as JMW, then 148 would still pass
152 is within that range. They can weight whatever they want as long as it's under that. If they go over but still under 154, they just comply to penalties.
What I quoted from Wiki does not agree with you at all. Read the next couple of sentences.
AGAIN:
An amateur boxer's weight must in addition not fall below the lower limit, although pro boxers may fight above their weight class. A nonstandard weight limit is called a catch weight.
So you can fight for the JMW belt and weight in at 147. Or 140. Or 108. Or 90 ****ing pounds. You CANNOT weigh MORE THAN 154. How many times will we have to go over this???
152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW?
This fight is not taking place in any established weight class. It is being fought at a catch weight.
It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW.
Repeating this does not make it true. A LMW fight is one in which you can weigh anything up to 154. Not 148, not 152... 154.
Here, I copied and pasted this from wikipedia:
In boxing, a weight class is a standardized weight range for boxers. The lower limit of a weight class is equal to the upper weight limit of the class below it. The top class, with no upper limit, is called heavyweight in professional boxing and super heavyweight in amateur boxing. A boxing match is usually scheduled for a fixed weight class, and each boxer's weight must not exceed the upper limit. An amateur boxer's weight must in addition not fall below the lower limit, although pro boxers may fight above their weight class. A nonstandard weight limit is called a catch weight.
I think he is the best fighter at 160 and could beat all the bigger guys at 168.
This is crazy. He can beat Ward?
Brawlers always look unbeatable when they are in the stage of their career where they are overwhelming overmatched competition.
Remember when Lacy was favored over Calzaghe? Or when Rios was unbeatable at 135? Zappavigna favored over Vazquez, Lemieux favored over Marco Antonio Rubio... I can go on and on. I am guessing this has been going on as long as boxing has been around. Notice that the guys I listed were all favorites in fights in which they either got straight schooled by a superior boxer or simply steamrolled by a more rugged fighter.
GGG could be the best middleweight in the world. I don't disagree. He is definitely being avoided. Let's wait until he's put up some good wins before we start talking about him as a pound for pound fighter though.
A lot of knockout artists look unbeatable, right up until they get beat.
No that fight would not be commissioned as both fighters would belong to two different divisions. I will try this once more. EVERY fight has to fall within a sanctioned weight division. There is NO weight division called catchweight. This is a made up term that does not appear in the rules. Not over 154 is JMW. You are right there is no lower limit but there is a welterweight division below it and any fighter weighing not over 147 would be a welterweight. Therefore JMW is not over 154 and not a welterweight. If a fighter weighed in as a welterweight for a JMW bout, the fight would not take place. As a fight HAS to be in a sanctioned weight division, if they are not over 154 and not a welterweight, they HAVE to be a JMW.
Basically everything you wrote is exactly wrong. I tried... on ignore you go.
I think you need to have a word with yourself. :dunce
What you quoted was in response to someone who had said "because Canelo agreed to it". If you don't understand the context, it won't make sense. In other words, pay attention to the discussion or you will be lost.
Bernard Hopkins 160 pound Ring Belt was on the line against Oscar at a cw of 158 pounds.
But the question is WHY? Why would it be on the line when the bout is at a CW? It is not a LMW bout. I don't doubt what Schaefer said - that Canelo's Ring belt will be on the line. The point is that it should NOT be on the line.
The Ring is free to declare "we will not allow the Ring belt to exchange hands at a catch weight". This is what I want them to do. It would have been bull**** if DLH had somehow beaten Hopkins to claim him as the MW champ, and it will be bull**** if the new CW King can beat Canelo.
Ring Magazine should clarify why their belt is on the line here. Because GBP wants it that way is not a good enough answer. Just because the corrupt alphabet soups will sanction a CW bout as championship fight is also not a good answer. Why would the 154 pound belt be on the line in a 152 pound fight?
Why would the 154 pound belt be on the line in a 152 pound fight? Why would the 154 pound belt be on the line in a 152 pound fight? Why would the 154 pound belt be on the line in a 152 pound fight?
What if the CW were 148... You can see how silly this is.
It could be because he saw Andre Dirrell handle Froch easily and get pinned with a "loss".
Regardless, he should go to the UK and fight Froch. It's by far his biggest available fight and he will win easily (again). It's a no-brainer career-wise. I'm not sure what the hell he is thinking. Hopefully he's trying to negotiate and intends to take the fight.
Of course, Hearn will have to come up with a real offer. It's very possible that having seen Froch lose to Dirrell and Ward (not to mention almost lose to Taylor) that they don't want him in there with any fighter with exceptional handspeed. Froch really is tailor-made for Ward.
Kessler 3
Hopkins
Groves
Cleverley
All huge fights in the UK
I call bull****. If a fight with Groves or Cleverley would be HUGE in the UK, then those fights would be in the process of being made right now. They won't be made because they are not "huge".
Immediate rematch with Kessler? What a joke.
Long term use of PEDs will cause your body to stop producing normal levels of testosterone. That's why so many of these jacked athletes just so happen to suffer from low testosterone production. It's highly unlikely that such a large percentage of MMA fighters and boxers would suffer from low testosterone production naturally, to say the least.
He has no choice but to keep using PEDs. His body no longer produces a normal amount of testosterone. He probably has a really small **** too.
edit: sorry, didn't mean to quote anybody