How can Ring Magazine 154 belt be on the line?

That's an extremist scenario but yes its legitimate even though your deal would never happen . I admit it is extremist and unlikely to happen but the JMW division has one weight stipulation; both fighters can weigh whatever they like as long as its below 154. If you alter that rule, you alter what defines the JMW division. IF you 're talking about the WBA/WBC Super Duper Emerald Diamond blah blah belt I wouldn't care. They're largely meaningless. The Ring is supposed to have more credibility and that is getting eroded more and more every day:nonono:

Are you saying if the lineal champion at 154 signs on for a fight with a CW of 148 and loses. The guy who beat him could rightly be considered the lineal champ at JMW? That's an extremist scenario but yes its legitimate even though your deal would never happen .

152 is still in the realm of JMW though. What weight class would it be in then if it wasn't JMW? It is a JMW bout because it's in between the bracket of 147.1 and 154. If a fight was at 148, that's JMW, if a fight was at 146, that's WW. Are you saying if the lineal champion at 154 signs on for a fight with a CW of 148 and loses. The guy who beat him could rightly be considered the lineal champ at JMW?

A fighter does not have to be at the maximum of the weight class he can be anything below the weight limit , Canelo was 153 last fight if he was 152 does that mean its a non title fight with Trout , posters need to get some common sense relative to the real world situation . If all these Pasc fanboys want to ride this BS then you better start stripping Mannys titles at WW and JMW . You missed my point 1, 2, and 3.

There's 3 things here: 1. 152 is SWW, no question there 2. But should the real belt (Ring or whatever) be contested below regulation weight? Like the OP says, it's not an alphabet belt, it's for the right to call yourself The Man at SWW, and that can only come at 154. It's double bad since The CW King already fought there twice, so you can't give him the benefit of the doubt and say, he'll grow into the weight and defend at full weight. 3. The Ring is corrupt and garbage so forget them. I'm thinking the Championship will be at stake in any ranking that maintains the distinction between #1 and champ A fighter does not have to be at the maximum of the weight class he can be anything below the weight limit , Canelo was 153 last fight if he was 152 does that mean its a non title fight with Trout , posters need to get some common sense relative to the real world situation . If all these Pasc fanboys want to ride this BS then you better start stripping Mannys titles at WW and JMW .

There's 3 things here: 1. 152 is SWW, no question there 2. But should the real belt (Ring or whatever) be contested below regulation weight? Like the OP says, it's not an alphabet belt, it's for the right to call yourself The Man at SWW, and that can only come at 154. It's double bad since The CW King already fought there twice, so you can't give him the benefit of the doubt and say, he'll grow into the weight and defend at full weight. 3. The Ring is corrupt and garbage so forget them. I'm thinking the Championship will be at stake in any ranking that maintains the distinction between #1 and champ

Was Hopkins/Calzaghe not scheduled for 170? Wright/Hopkins too I believe (I'm going off memory here) Hopkins Pavlik and Wright

Not true. Junior Middleweight means you can weigh a maximum of 154. It does not mean you must weigh 148-154. It means you can weigh anything UP TO 154. You can weigh 146. You can weigh 140. You can weigh anything UP TO 154. That's the definition of the Junior Middleweight weight class. This fight is being contested at a maximum weight of 152. This is not a Jnr. MW bout. Wait, so are you saying that Margarito was a welterweight when PAC destroyed him?

If you can't come in at 153, 154 which is JMW how can it be called a JMW fight? It can't, it's a catch-weight fight and no title should be contested. This ^^^^^^^.

heavyweight is and always has been an open class. Fair enough. Let's say Kovalev wins a cruiserweight title. Could he have all his defenses at a catchweight of 180 lbs? After all, this is within the 175-200 lb range.

Because its a jmw fight. Your're wrong calling it "just a catch weight fight" because it is a jmw fight. Any fight contested above 147 and below 154.01 is a jmw regardless if there is a max weight. You clearly don't understand weight classes if you think otherwise. Posted from Boxingscene.com App for Android

What fight has ever taken place where a fighter has been a welterweight and the other a JMW and the commission put a title on the line for it? (Or any other two weight classes). Most recently, Pacquiao weighed in at 144.5 for a Jr Middleweight title fight. Henry Armstrong weighed in under the Lightweight limit for the first portion of his world Welterweight reign and weighed 142lbs when he fought Ceferino Garcia for a version of the 160lb title. Stanley Ketchel was only 170lbs when he challenged Jack Johnson for the Heavyweight title. Similarly, Carpentier weighed in at 172lbs when he fought for Jack Dempsey's Heavyweight crown. Mike Spinks won the Heavyweight title at 199lbs. This is just a few examples over the course of boxing history, there are many more. It's just a rarity these days, as the weigh-ins are no longer on the day of the fight, so most boxers simply cannot afford to come in so light or they'll be out-weighed by a huge amount.

So if Eddie Chambers won a heavyweight belt, he could arrange to have all his defenses at a catchweight of 203, and they would be legitimate heavyweight defenses?heavyweight is and always has been an open class.

So if Eddie Chambers won a heavyweight belt, he could arrange to have all his defenses at a catchweight of 203, and they would be legitimate heavyweight defenses?

You are plain wrong, though. It has happened many times before over the course of the history of the sport. What fight has ever taken place where a fighter has been a welterweight and the other a JMW and the commission put a title on the line for it? (Or any other two weight classes).

No that fight would not be commissioned as both fighters would belong to two different divisions. I will try this once more. EVERY fight has to fall within a sanctioned weight division. There is NO weight division called catchweight. This is a made up term that does not appear in the rules. Not over 154 is JMW. You are right there is no lower limit but there is a welterweight division below it and any fighter weighing not over 147 would be a welterweight. Therefore JMW is not over 154 and not a welterweight. If a fighter weighed in as a welterweight for a JMW bout, the fight would not take place. As a fight HAS to be in a sanctioned weight division, if they are not over 154 and not a welterweight, they HAVE to be a JMW. Basically everything you wrote is exactly wrong. I tried... on ignore you go.

No that fight would not be commissioned as both fighters would belong to two different divisions. I will try this once more. EVERY fight has to fall within a sanctioned weight division. There is NO weight division called catchweight. This is a made up term that does not appear in the rules. Not over 154 is JMW. You are right there is no lower limit but there is a welterweight division below it and any fighter weighing not over 147 would be a welterweight. Therefore JMW is not over 154 and not a welterweight. If a fighter weighed in as a welterweight for a JMW bout, the fight would not take place. As a fight HAS to be in a sanctioned weight division, if they are not over 154 and not a welterweight, they HAVE to be a JMW. You are plain wrong, though. It has happened many times before over the course of the history of the sport.

If one guy weighs 146 and the other guy weighs 154 then it is a WW bout? You are not even reading what we are writing. There is no lower limit. Some people thought that, but it was wrong. There is no lower limit. They set a maximum but not a minimum because there is no need for a minimum (assuming a competent commission, which is actually a bad assumption but that is another matter). Please don't tell me I am supposed to have you on ignore. I know - I am trying. No that fight would not be commissioned as both fighters would belong to two different divisions. I will try this once more. EVERY fight has to fall within a sanctioned weight division. There is NO weight division called catchweight. This is a made up term that does not appear in the rules. Not over 154 is JMW. You are right there is no lower limit but there is a welterweight division below it and any fighter weighing not over 147 would be a welterweight. Therefore JMW is not over 154 and not a welterweight. If a fighter weighed in as a welterweight for a JMW bout, the fight would not take place. As a fight HAS to be in a sanctioned weight division, if they are not over 154 and not a welterweight, they HAVE to be a JMW.

You make a new thread with pictures of trannys in it while posting my username 5 times :lol1: ...........

No you can't because that would make it a welterweight bout. Umm, okay, looks like you better revoke dozens of world titles that have been won over the past 130 years, then.