Fights like Casimero vs Rigondeaux, and Canelo vs Lara are what passes as a robbery nowadays.
I rewatched Erislandy Lara (speak of the devil) vs Paul Williams, and this is what a real robbery is. When a fighter outlands his opponent in more rounds, with the better shots, and does not get the win.
Lara outlanded Williams in the powerpunch department in 7 rounds out of 12 (most important imo).
Lara outlanded Williams in total punches 224 to 200.
Lara outlanded Williams in power punches 178 to 161.
Lara landed 49% of his power punches.
Lara landed 42% of total punches.
Williams landed at a struggling 21% power punches and 19% total punches.
No, "total" punches landed don't matter, I understand this, it's who landed more punches in more rounds, and who landed the better punches in more rounds. Not just outlanded the opponent with weak jabs or just "total" punches. It is round by round.
Lara did everything you're supposed to do to win a 12 round fight. He outlanded Williams in total, jabs, power and in more rounds. Lara undoubtedly landed the more impressive power shots too, in more rounds. The "wow" shots that please the crowd, please the viewers at home and, announcers and press at ring side. Lara did all of that.
This was a real robbery.
Boxing could have maybe saved face and overturned this decision to a Win for Lara or at least an NC like they do for PED cheats. But they don't touch clear, corrupt robberies like these. And these type of lack of integrity and lack of real solutions to obvious terrible judging/officiating kills boxing's image.
Baseball is a very old school sport where people stress "the human element", and still, baseball uses technology to overturn home runs, outs, stolen bases, runs scored, etc. While pro boxing still keeps their ancient ways, doing nothing while boxer's careers get ruined due to corruption.
Again, define "clearly". Clearly to WHO?
Pac/Bradley. Three judges had it a close fight.
You can't sit up here and say "well I didn't see it close so they robbed him".
Because again, by that logic, Keef beat Manny and got robbed. Right?[/QUOTE
"Clearly" means that the fight was easy to score and there is no doubt who won.
If a guy takes money from you, it don't matter if it's $5 or $5,000 you've still been robbed.
Even if the scores are close, if a fighter "clearly" wins more rounds and still lose the fight, he's been robbed of his W.
But once again it's the judges decision that matters, everything else is just chicken sh/t speculation. Cheers :cool:
Thread asks for actual robberies.
Almost every post lists close fights that aren’t robberies.
Yeah some weird one's being posted. But once I see the poster who's posting, it makes sense.
Mayweather-Maidana for example. So many trolls here.
PAC vs JMM 1, Bradley 1, and Horn
Oscar vs Floyd, Trinidad and Mosley
Maidana vs Floyd 1
Lara and Trout vs Canelo
Castillo 1 vs Floyd
GGG vs Canelo - both
Kovalev vs Ward I
Interesting.
You forgot GGG vs Derevyanchenko and Jacobs.
How do you define "legitimate"?
Anyone who thinks Manny was "robbed" against Bradley is basing "legitmate" on Compubox.
Ok, so then by that logic, Keef was robbed by Manny. Right?
A legitimate win is one where one fighter clearly wins more rounds.
I think Pac clearly beat Bradley, so I'd call that a robbery.
The Thurman fight was closer but I think the judges got it right.
Also CompuBox is a joke. :cool:
PAC vs JMM 1, Bradley 1, and Horn
Oscar vs Floyd, Trinidad and Mosley
Maidana vs Floyd 1
Lara and Trout vs Canelo
Castillo 1 vs Floyd
GGG vs Canelo - both
Kovalev vs Ward I
Pac/Marquez 3 is the only strong case. Everything else was a close fight.
I'm disappointed that NONE of you called out Barrios/Akmehdov, if we're talking judges, or Hererra/Hinojosa, if we're talking outcomes.
bradley 1 the strongest.
I'm indifferent to Lara, and was a huge fan of Williams, but Lara won at least 10 rounds clearly iirc. Definitely not a "robbery" in the sense of a Fury/Wilder (which wasn't a close fight at all), but Mares/Agbeko is about as blatant an example of a guy fighting his opponent and the referee that I've ever seen. The fact Russell Mora not only wasn't banned from the sport due to that "performance"...but has been working steadily for the past DECADE is disturbing. Matter of fact, he's working the Pac fight tonight. :bigeyes:
7-5? Lol you need to watch that fight again Pac clearly won 9-10 rounds. He literally out landded him every round and more then twice overall but ok
True. It all depends on what a person thinks of as a "robbery".
I think of a robbery as a decision that takes away a legitimate win from a fighter.
Of course a "legitimate" win is in the eye of the beholder. :cool:
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Give it a rest. Pac was indeed robbed vs Horn and Bradley but absolutely nobody with a brain believes Pac was robbed vs Floyd.
It's passed time for you to start living in reality,Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.
"At The End Of The Day", Pac-Bradley 1 was 7 rounds to 5.
Barrios was dropped TWICE if I recall and didn't do much else.
Herrera is the first boxer in history to get his hand raised without landing a punch.
I'm sorry, it's not even close and I say again, you guys call every close fight a robbery.
7-5? Lol you need to watch that fight again Pac clearly won 9-10 rounds. He literally out landded him every round and more then twice overall but ok
I thought Lara getting a draw vs Carlos Molina was a gift.
I remember Molina outworking Lara almost every round and thought Carlos should have gotten a UD
Lara loves being in 50-50 fights for some reason.
It’s like he always goes in there trying to do enough for either a Draw, a close win, or a close loss.
He just tries to match his opponent every time.
I’m surprised he has scored KOs in his career.
He can fight the most mediocre fighters around his weight, or elite fighters in his weight class, and fight them just 50-50. Just enough for a draw, close W, or close L.
He has like no 3rd gear. He has 1st gear, 2nd gear. And that’s it. He’s not really into dominating.
I am surprised he dominated Trout and Williams.
Vs Canelo, I thought he would do better. I thought he would maybe edge out Canelo. Instead he went in there thinking it was the Olympics, throwing weak jabs, scoring here and there like an amateur.
Pac/Marquez 3 is the only strong case. Everything else was a close fight.
I'm disappointed that NONE of you called out Barrios/Akmehdov, if we're talking judges, or Hererra/Hinojosa, if we're talking outcomes.
How was Pac-Bradley 1 a close fight? lol watched it recently again just to be sure and Pac dominated him
I thought Lara getting a draw vs Carlos Molina was a gift.
I remember Molina outworking Lara almost every round and thought Carlos should have gotten a UD