Jab vs Body shot?

Hooks to the body are harder than jabs. No matter how you paint that jab. You ever see someone quit after getting a jab ? A lot have quit or went out with a body shot. Brandon Rios was supposed to knock out Manny with a jab.

I always thought head shots were worth more in terms of scoring, just like in the amateurs. Wow!!! This says a hell of a lot.

them jabs were landing all night though. Canelo's head was getting bounced.

most of them body shots hit the elbows. that's the thing. most of the bodywork is blocked. watch the dam fight.

Golovkin's jab is no joke, but body hooks count and hurt for much more.

Well many Canelo bodyshots Hit the elbows GGGs jabs mostly landed clean..and you are acting like Golovkin wasnt landing hard shots upstairs. I feel like he hit Canelo more than in the first fight...but Canelo also hit him more

kthose jabs were popping canelos head back. lol @ calling them weak

First time poster, long time lurker. I've read a lot of posts about GGG Canelo 2 and have seen many comments about Canelo's body shots from people who believe Canelo rightfully won. Also, many people using GGG's lack of body shots and his plethora of jabs as two of the main reasons he lost. I consider myself a big boxing fan, but have not nor ever will consider myself to be a boxing expert. Specifically for this fight I don't believe Canelo's body shots deserve more or even equal scoring to GGG's jabs. GGG's jabs aren't Mayweather jabs. His jabs snap back heads. He's throwing power jabs that cause damage and hurt. I don't see how anyone can think Canelo landed the harder punches last night. I want to know if people that follow this sport really believe Canelo's body shots were better punches than GGG's jabs. Both are effective and were important in the fight but think canelo’s body punches get the nod here. Their damage was apparent and probably what got GGG to tire early in the mid rounds. That’s what made GGG hesitant to throw his right, and to throw some body punches himself. Floyd’s jab > GGG by a significant margin though. Floyd’s game rely on that jab. He sets his right with it. He disrupts your charge and rhythm with it. He scores with it. That reaching Jab to the body is totally underrated. It just stops you on your tracks, and when you try to counter it he throws the right like a missile. That jab to the body never misses. No jab of GGG is equal to the add eventhough his is great as well. And more damaging.

I want you to take a good look at a lot of these jabs ggg was missing in round 10. Do you consider these quality jabs? The amount of jabs that he sat on and actually landed were few in between the pitty pat bull**** and the quality counters he was getting hit by. The body shot Canelo landed around 20 secs and 1:49 had ggg reeling back. Canelo walked through ggg's jabs, ggg could not do the same for Canelo's body punches, BIG difference in the effects of these punches.

GGG's jabs aren't Mayweather jabs. His jabs snap back heads. He's throwing power jabs that cause damage and hurt. I don't see how anyone can think Canelo landed the harder punches last night. First of all, I'd like you to watch Mayweather vs Canelo and tell me who landed the most damaging jabs, the 5 division welterweight or the Kazakh with the much overrated power. Second, GGG's jab is far from a power punch. It's a good, somewhat slow, textbook jab with slightly over average power. If you want to see a power jab, look at Kovalev, Jermall Charlo or Vladimir Klitschko. And I'm not even going to address that ridiculous last statement. If you want to get taken seriously as a boxing fan, learn how to take off the fanboy glasses and watch a fight objectively.

Again, going from how the fight transpired over the last half of the fight, not only did Canelo not knock the "tree" down by hitting it's trunk, he also didn't even prove the punches were effective. GGG only got stronger as the fight progressed. How do you explain that? And, is the head a part of the trunk in this analogy. If so, GGG hit Canelo's trunk more times and harder than vice versa. Of course they were effective, not enough to knock him down, but enough to take away his “knockout power.” We can’t compare a short range jab to a full range weight carrying power punch. A fighter can eat jabs all night, he won’t be able to eat full range power shots all night though.

Canelo's body shots made GGG run all night. That should tell you the whole story right there. Watch the fight again and focus on how GGG reacted every time Canelo landed to the body. He winced, grimaced, scowled, and moved ten steps back every time. (Ten steps is an exaggeration yes but you get the point). So, GGG ran this fight? Did Canelo run the first fight? I saw Canelo land a body shot and get countered with a very powerful jab that would snap his head back. Do you think Canelo won because of body shots? In your opinion are Canelo's body shots 2.5 times more damaging than GGG's jabs?

Canelo landed more hard shots to the head in both fights. Golovkin landed more punches in both fights, Canelo landed more hard punches. This thread is about you trying to make Golovkins jab into being equal to Canelo's power punches and they aren't. Golovkin got battered with the more hard shots than Canelo. I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I think every punch that GGG throws is harder than every punch Canelo throws. I mean that in a the way that punch for punch GGG's power punches and jabs are harder punches. Again, this thread and poll is about posters claiming Canelo won because of body shots and GGG lost because of a lack of body shots and landing too many jabs. I don't understand that argument and nobody has proved how that argument is a successful one to make. People can vote one way or another, but unless you can explain to me how Canelo's body shots were more effective than GGG's jabs it means nothing. I just like having discussions sometimes and seeing so many posts about the same thing made me want to discuss this. Bottom line is the first fight went down as a draw and the second fight went down as a Canelo victory. I disagree with both and it doesn't matter to me. I know GGG is the better fighter and know he won both fights, as do a majority of people that watched both fights.

I'm asking if you think Canelo's body shots are more powerful than GGG's jabs? I watched a lot of Wlad opponents lose because of a jab. Canelo's body shots made GGG run all night. That should tell you the whole story right there. Watch the fight again and focus on how GGG reacted every time Canelo landed to the body. He winced, grimaced, scowled, and moved ten steps back every time. (Ten steps is an exaggeration yes but you get the point).

Canelo's body shots hurt GGG, that's why he was fighting backwards for the first time ever, that's the proof they were effective. GGG doesn't fight like that, and he looked uncomfortable doing it. GGG stopped throwing body punches after ginger nailed him with a nasty body hook in the early rounds, he stopped completely, he kept his elbows tightly closed for most of the fight, more proof the body punches were doing damage. On the other hand Canelo never stopped coming forward despite eating jab after jab, so in short...no, GGG's jab wasn't more effective than Canelo's body shots, it just landed more frequently I agree that GGG has the most powerful jab in the division, certainly a more powerful jab than Canelo's, but that doesnt mean his jab equals a "power punch", unless there's some GGG fights I missed were he was koing ppl with jabs Again, who cares about going backwards if you're losing exchanges. I can only go off of the numbers that are available. ESPN has Canelo landing less than 4 body shots a round. How was that what forced GGG to go backwards? Canelo decided that was how he wanted to fight. Only one fighter can move forward or you'd end up with both fighters in a constant clinch. Please provide video of a fight where both fighters are both moving forward the entire 12 rounds. I've never seen it and that would be a spectacle to watch, a boring spectacle but one nonetheless. If GGG kept his elbows tight most of the fight did Canelo even actually land 46 body shots? I honestly don't think he did. I felt like a majority of his body shots were blocked or grazing shots. What makes Canelo's body shots power shots? I honestly want to know the answer because I don't. Is there no body shot that doesn't count as a power shot?

You said damage to the face. I showed you the facial damage. Golovkin clearly looks like he's been in a road accident or something and Canelo looks pretty clean. You brought it up no need to start with an attitude. :lol1: Ok, going off your premise since there are no pictures of GGG's body showing bruising or marks that means that none of Canelo's body punches caused damage, right? See how stupid that argument is. I'm arguing that Canelo's face doesn't mark up as much as GGG's face does. I've never really seen Canelo's face look damaged and seen him take plenty of hard shots to the face. That's a known thing that happens in boxing. Some boxers faces mark up easier than other's. Do you honestly disagree with that? Who landed more punches to the head between these two fighters last night? Who landed the harder punches to the head last night? Remember the point of my post was that many posters that believe Canelo won was because he landed so much to the body.

What does going backwards have to do with winning or losing a boxing match. Canelo was coming forward and paying dearly for it all night by eating "NON FLUFFY" jabs. I think you like many other people are missing my point that GGG's jabs are some fluffy Floyd Mayweather jab. They are powerful punches that cause damage and a noticeable effect. What makes a body shot automatically be a power punch? I honestly don't understand that reasoning. Before you go talking about aggression and ring generalship, remember it's about effective aggression and ring generalship. You can come forward all fight, but if you're constantly getting countered with a powerful jab that is causing damage to your face and brain it means nothing. I'll ask you like the other fellow that couldn't muster an answer. You brought up that all punches aren't the same in professional boxing. Do you believe every boxer has the same power in their jabs? Is it not possible that GGG's jabs are extremely powerful and more effective? If you had to make an educated guess, who's jab is more powerful between Canelo and GGG? Canelo's body shots hurt GGG, that's why he was fighting backwards for the first time ever, that's the proof they were effective. GGG doesn't fight like that, and he looked uncomfortable doing it. GGG stopped throwing body punches after ginger nailed him with a nasty body hook in the early rounds, he stopped completely, he kept his elbows tightly closed for most of the fight, more proof the body punches were doing damage. On the other hand Canelo never stopped coming forward despite eating jab after jab, so in short...no, GGG's jab wasn't more effective than Canelo's body shots, it just landed more frequently I agree that GGG has the most powerful jab in the division, certainly a more powerful jab than Canelo's, but that doesnt mean his jab equals a "power punch", unless there's some GGG fights I missed were he was koing ppl with jabs

You said they were doing damage to Canelo's face. I showed you the damage to both their faces. So, damage can only be seen in appearance only. My bad, I didn't know that's how it works. Do you really want to play that game? Should we start posting pictures of fighters faces and then declare the winner and see how it matches up with actual fight results? Back to the point of this post and poll. Please show me pictures of those "BRUISING POWER PUNCH" body shots that Canelo landed less than 4 times a round. I can't wait to see the bruises all over GGG's body. I don't believe that damage is only showed through appearance, so I will take the reports about the internal injuries that GGG suffered as well. I'm sure you'll keep ignoring all the questions I keep asking you.

https://image.ibb.co/egMGKz/Screenshot_20180916_175432.png Speaks volumes about the way you view boxing. I know you don't like to answer questions because it goes against your narrative and destroys any argument you think you might have, but I'm gonna try one more. Is it possible that one boxer's face can absorbed damage better than another? Let's go a litter further. If every human is punched in the face in the same exact spot by the same exact machine putting the exact same amount of pressure, will every face have the same exact damage in appearance?

No he didn't get stronger. Throwing more punches doesn't mean they were harder punches. Trying to argue that Golovkin was physically stronger at the end of the fight than at the beginning is again nonsense. It's nonsense in a fight where you won't find one observer that will argue against GGG landing at least his 10 hardest punches in the last 6 rounds? He definitely landed his best punches and punches that were more effective in the second half of the fight.