Journeymen fighters

Many of them work really hard. They deserve our respect as fans because they go through more hardships than the champions we worship, but when all is said and done they are back in the ring and the gym the next day.

Some journeymen become champions (Glenn Johnson, Carlos Baldomir) Some champions become journyemen (Carl Daniels, DeMarcus Corley)

we can also say that journeymen fighters are the backbone of the sport.. ALL prospects & Contenders need them more than journeymen fighters need them. This is true, because losing to journeymen, or gatekeeprs is a measure of where you are mentally and physically as a fighter.

Journeymen are really good but just not quite good enough to be the very best a master if you will. Now in this day and age of boxing a journeymen can win a strap especially if matched up smartly (and some would say properly) but when comming up against a true master they will always fall short and will fall short against other journeymen in some cases. Journeymen is a pretty vast level in boxing, average fighters can get up to journeyman status but going from journeymen to master is a huge leap and in a sport as damaging as boxing it is hard to have enough time in a career to really do that.

I mean that they are better than the average fighter, but that they are not in the top levels of the sport. Agreed. They are journeymen.

:rofl: at this joke thread.

This thread is an excellent reminder to most that journeymen are journeymen, unless they are able to fight well enough to get out of journeymen status. Journeymen don't just become championship quality fighters. It's hard for a journeyman to fight his way into contention of championship quality fighting, but it's possible. At the same time, most journeymen don't become championship quality fighters. It's a difficult road, and most fighters don't make it. On the other hand, champions usually get out before they fade into journeyman status, but some do. Some champions stay in the sport long enough to become journeymen, but it happens less often than the fighters who don't fade into journeymen status. My point is... anything can happen. Excellent point. Some journeymen have been better than other journeymen and have gone from journeymen to being champion. Case in point: Sammy Fuentes and Freddie Pendleton. Both were journeymen who were better than the champions they fought because they beat them and then became champions. They went from journeymen to champions to journeymen and not many journeymen can do that. Usually journeymen stay in that status because they are not as good as the champions although maybe if some trained harder they would be. Most champions don't go from being journeymen to champions though. They often do go from being champions to journeymen, which is the opposite of journeymen to champion, by the end of their career as they are not as good as they once were. I don't believe you can be both at the same time though. That would not be possible.

This thread is an excellent reminder to most that journeymen are journeymen, unless they are able to fight well enough to get out of journeymen status. Journeymen don't just become championship quality fighters. It's hard for a journeyman to fight his way into contention of championship quality fighting, but it's possible. At the same time, most journeymen don't become championship quality fighters. It's a difficult road, and most fighters don't make it. On the other hand, champions usually get out before they fade into journeyman status, but some do. Some champions stay in the sport long enough to become journeymen, but it happens less often than the fighters who don't fade into journeymen status. My point is... anything can happen.

So you do like boxing? Well in what way do you mean better? put on better fights generally? that I do agree with. Most of the espn cards > HBO and Showtime cards I mean that they are better than the average fighter, but that they are not in the top levels of the sport.

glenn johson, after his second loss to Dawson is officially a journeyman now....

Journeymen are sometimes the best to watch too. I think sometimes Journeymen have a shot and can be capable of winning a title. Like Mtagwa would you consider him a journeymen with 12 or 13 losses?

you guys are spot on. some journeymen have become champions, but it's unusual because a journeyman is usually someone who doesn't make it to the top. a journeyman - better than a can, but not that good either.

I think champions can definitely become journeymen, but not when they are champions, only when they become journeymen after they are champions. Some journeymen don't ever become champions though. This usually means they don't have what it takes to become champions but they can still be good journeymen. Excellent point. Some journeymen have their fights televised. But usually hey don't.

I think champions can definitely become journeymen, but not when they are champions, only when they become journeymen after they are champions. Some journeymen don't ever become champions though. This usually means they don't have what it takes to become champions but they can still be good journeymen.