Roach claim he layed out perfect plan for Oscar to beat Mayweather.Do you think...

Manny has improved but if he gets into a boxing battle of the minds I think he is playing into Floyd's hands. Also Manny has done best when Plan A works like a charm when plan A does not work he can fall back on some things but as shown with the JMM fights if you can get him off plan A or limit plan A's effectiveness you limit the effectiveness of Pacman. I think Roach can come up with a good plan A but I have yet to really see him pull out a plan B and make it work (100% anyways because in the 2nd JMM fight Pacman did not fall apart like the first one). Will be interesting to watch though because plan A is not enough to beat Floyd (imo) you have to be able to go to B, C and maybe even D. About the specifics of the fight it is hard to say because they are both unique fighters so whatever happeaned before may not really apply in this fight, that is why I want to see it. Well like i said in my original post... if pacquiao keeps jabbing and probing without overextending himself...Mayweather wont have anything to counterpunch. And that shoulder roll is fairly easy to time while it resets. The problem is that Floyd is smart and WILL make adjustments. So the big question is whether Roach and Pacquiao will be able to force Mayweather to adjust in a manner they can anticipate.

That is true. But that's more closely related to execution than gameplan. And i doubt Roach would use the same gameplan he had for Oscar with Pacquiao because they are 2 different fighters and that plan obviously did not work. While Pacquiao does still have that tendency to jump in head first...his lateral movement and newfound abilities to think in the ring, make adjustments and ability to counterpunch would not keep Mayweather from landing...but would keep him from landing consistently. I would say that Pacquiao may use feints to draw the counter from Mayweather and counter the counterpunch....but Mayweather has a huge reach advantage and Pacquiao probably would not be able to afford taking any steps backward. Manny has improved but if he gets into a boxing battle of the minds I think he is playing into Floyd's hands. Also Manny has done best when Plan A works like a charm when plan A does not work he can fall back on some things but as shown with the JMM fights if you can get him off plan A or limit plan A's effectiveness you limit the effectiveness of Pacman. I think Roach can come up with a good plan A but I have yet to really see him pull out a plan B and make it work (100% anyways because in the 2nd JMM fight Pacman did not fall apart like the first one). Will be interesting to watch though because plan A is not enough to beat Floyd (imo) you have to be able to go to B, C and maybe even D. About the specifics of the fight it is hard to say because they are both unique fighters so whatever happeaned before may not really apply in this fight, that is why I want to see it.

this is exactly what pac does every fight, hell jump in head first, throw a combination, then follow up with a big left or a big right and overextend, and at this point its really too late to correct it. As long as pac does this, hes going to be in trouble, especially if mayweather can hurt pac. Everyone talks about how pac has improved, and he has, but he still makes those two key mistakes, if i can see it, i know for sure mayweather and his team do. Like i said, pac cant change it at this point, its a bad habit that hes had his whole career unfortunately, and alot of that comes from developing it young in his career. That is true. But that's more closely related to execution than gameplan. And i doubt Roach would use the same gameplan he had for Oscar with Pacquiao because they are 2 different fighters and that plan obviously did not work. While Pacquiao does still have that tendency to jump in head first...his lateral movement and newfound abilities to think in the ring, make adjustments and ability to counterpunch would not keep Mayweather from landing...but would keep him from landing consistently. I would say that Pacquiao may use feints to draw the counter from Mayweather and counter the counterpunch....but Mayweather has a huge reach advantage and Pacquiao probably would not be able to afford taking any steps backward.

If there is a coach and fighter combo out there that can beat floyd, it's roach and pacquiao. Roach comes up with great fight plans and pacquiao listens and executes very well. True that. That is why Mayweather will stay undefeated.

roach had the plan, oscar for what ever reason, didnt roll with it. couldve been a case of ol dog new tricks...or oscar just plain stupid. a mayweather fight will be the most technically difficult one for pacman/roach. how do you dismantle a counter puncher?...feign the attack and then counter the counter?...pbf has a few pet moves he employs going back, you'll spot the same ones over and over...obviously his speed is a factor but he has a limited repertoire. pbf wont come out so manny will have to go get him.

talk about imbeciles... and yes i had oscar winning the fight im putting this in my sig.

brass boy just wasnt the ihteto execute that game plan.

well he got the split with a guy who couldm't execute... 10 oz heavyweight gloves

It's on the trainer to get the fighter ready but on the fighter to win the fight. DLH blamin Roach is bullshit. Not his fault Mr boat buyer beat him.

He forgot to tell DLH to go back 7 years in a time machine and swap places with himself.

I feel the gameplan he used was probably the best gameplan he could of used. De la Hoya wasn't going to outbox Floyd so his best chance was to pressure him, use his jab, get him on the ropes, use his size advantage. work the body and flurry. De la Hoya didn't use his jab and tired as the fight went on and allowed Mayweather to do his thing. It was De la hoya's fault not Roachs. It was a clear win for Mayweather. De La Hoya also awknowledged that mayweather hits harder than you think. i think alot of that is just the accuracy of the punches he felt, his knees were the only ones that buckled through the whole fight.

Oscar was winning on points until he stopped jabbing. Thus the split decision win for Floyd. oscar lost that fight, clearly. nobody unbiased could've watched that fight and had given it to oscar. oscar won about 4 rounds.

I feel the gameplan he used was probably the best gameplan he could of used. De la Hoya wasn't going to outbox Floyd so his best chance was to pressure him, use his jab, get him on the ropes, use his size advantage. work the body and flurry. De la Hoya didn't use his jab and tired as the fight went on and allowed Mayweather to do his thing. It was De la hoya's fault not Roachs. It was a clear win for Mayweather.

39 have tried and all 39 have failed.

Wlad would stop Floyd.

Oscar has stamina problems, that is why he stopped working the jab. That is the conclusion I came to for that fight atleast, it made no sense to stop throwing something that was working. I know sometimes its because a boxer makes it difficult to throw the jab and land but he was clearly landing when ever he threw it. Where I was at watching it in a bar, all the Mexicans swore the fight was fixed because of him stop throwing it. I just assumed he has stamina problems.

If you keep jabbing and probing without overextending yourself he will not have anything to counter. . this is exactly what pac does every fight, hell jump in head first, throw a combination, then follow up with a big left or a big right and overextend, and at this point its really too late to correct it. As long as pac does this, hes going to be in trouble, especially if mayweather can hurt pac. Everyone talks about how pac has improved, and he has, but he still makes those two key mistakes, if i can see it, i know for sure mayweather and his team do. Like i said, pac cant change it at this point, its a bad habit that hes had his whole career unfortunately, and alot of that comes from developing it young in his career.

Floyd's style is not difficult to figure out. His guard is low so even when he blocks the punch still lands partially. If you keep jabbing and probing without overextending yourself he will not have anything to counter. You can time that shoulder roll for when it resets as well. The problem is Floyd is smart and makes adjustments...so the real question would be whether Roach and Pacquiao can force Mayweather to adjust in the manner they want.

Freddie Roach claimed he laid out the perfect game plan for Oscar to beat Floyd but Oscar stopped executing. He said Oscar wouldn't look good the first couple of rounds due to him having to adjust to Floyd's speed, which is what happened. He said he was upset with Oscar because he saw how effective his jab was and how he stopped using it and stop following their game plan. My question to the board is....Do you think Freddie Roach figured Floyd's style out and knows how to beat him. I know he did a lot of film work during the Oscar/Floyd fight so maybe he knows something. Freddie has studying countless guys and is one of the best in the business, So if Pac/Mayweather happens do you think Freddie can come up with a plan for Pac to beat Floyd? This is gonna be a huge factor if they ever meet. floyd's defense is too good. you don't ever really "beat" him. You try and make the fight close and hope the judges give you the nod. with floyd's style (as with hops) its to difficult to really "beat".

If Oscar's jab kept coming Mayweather probably would have made an adjustment, and he may have(haven't watched the fight in a while). Roach mite give Pac a gameplan but he will have to adapt when Floyd changes his. Floyd doesn't fight the same every fight.