Would any version of Tyson beat Holyfield?

[QueensburyRules]

Do EPO, HGH, diuretics, blood doping and falsifying documents saying he passed tests were all under a doctor's supervision? You should easily be able to provide a link for that, right? And I wonder why he told Oprah Winfrey that doping helped him win his 7 titles? Seems a little fishy, don't you think? You would think he would just come out and say a doctor prescribed it because of cancer. And why was he on PED's for his two TDF wins and several other major events BEFORE he got cancer? Seems like you just keep painting yourself into a corner.

- -U empty noggin just a chamber pot waiting for the transfer.

Lance took a hit for his team and family. Never said he was Pollyanna.

Coming up on 120 years and the TDF the dirtiest sport in the history of mankind next to boxing.

Bet U scream Canelo cheat after ghost nanograms well below WADA fail limits occurred. All consistent with local food contamination and local wildlife contamination because the modern world is overflowing in drug usage.

Why U gotta leak like that

[JAB5239]

- -U empty noggin just a chamber pot waiting for the transfer.

Lance took a hit for his team and family. Never said he was Pollyanna.

Coming up on 120 years and the TDF the dirtiest sport in the history of mankind next to boxing.

Bet U scream Canelo cheat after ghost nanograms well below WADA fail limits occurred. All consistent with local food contamination and local wildlife contamination because the modern world is overflowing in drug usage.

Why U gotta leak like that

So you're now admitting he cheated and took the fall. Good, we're getting somewhere.

[QueensburyRules]

So you're now admitting he cheated and took the fall. Good, we're getting somewhere.

- -Not admitting anything but the surface facts.

Lamont Peterson and his bro two homeless street kids when "saved" by a boxing guy who took them in. Lamont rose high in the rankings famously busted by boxing for testa implants and suspended in spite of having a doc script and diagnosis of low testa.

Where's the justice? Like I stated, FBI dropped the charges in the "Mission Accomplished" era of botched 911 attack failures where, what, over 1000 folks exterminated on the spot.

No noggins rolled with the truth buried in the dirty Congressional investigation just as the JFK investigation was. It's embarrassing to see U as a growed man with the emotional and intellectual propensities of a 13 year old Facebook schoolgrrl.

Lance is mortal flesh and blood good enough to enter however briefly immortal domain after fighting death to a draw, yet will remain a hero for what he has done to bring hope and resources to cancer victims and researchers.

And history won't forget he won the TDF in the cleanest era of their misbegotten history. Jim Thorpe stripped of his gold medals also had them reinstated years after his death. The people who care have long memories(Insert Martin Luther King's the arc of justice here)

[JAB5239]

- -Not admitting anything but the surface facts.

Lamont Peterson and his bro two homeless street kids when "saved" by a boxing guy who took them in. Lamont rose high in the rankings famously busted by boxing for testa implants and suspended in spite of having a doc script and diagnosis of low testa.

Where's the justice? Like I stated, FBI dropped the charges in the "Mission Accomplished" era of botched 911 attack failures where, what, over 1000 folks exterminated on the spot.

No noggins rolled with the truth buried in the dirty Congressional investigation just as the JFK investigation was. It's embarrassing to see U as a growed man with the emotional and intellectual propensities of a 13 year old Facebook schoolgrrl.

Lance is mortal flesh and blood good enough to enter however briefly immortal domain after fighting death to a draw, yet will remain a hero for what he has done to bring hope and resources to cancer victims and researchers.

And history won't forget he won the TDF in the cleanest era of their misbegotten history. Jim Thorpe stripped of his gold medals also had them reinstated years after his death. The people who care have long memories(Insert Martin Luther King's the arc of justice here)

History will remember Armstrong as the guy who used PED's in every TDF win and was stripped of them all because of it. He may get a little credit for admitting it finally, but he will be forgotten for his tainted victories as this link will show.

https://www.topendsports.com/events/...nners-list.htm

The rest of that rambling and incoherent post you made? All I can say is put the bottle down and try to get to a meeting this morning. You need help.

[Dr. Z]

Fury was 19 and at the time a very average fighter himself against Mcdermott. When he fought the Canadian who had him down, Fury was only a decent domestic fighter learning his trade then

Even vs Cunningham, Fury was still only 24 and at the time that was a massive step up for him. Hardly prime Fury.

My point is Fury's chin is less than his fans thing. Guy who came to fight showed that. No excuses. A reason why I think he cherry picks guys who don't come to fight and can't fight.

[Nash out]

My point is Fury's chin is less than his fans thing. Guy who came to fight showed that. No excuses. A reason why I think he cherry picks guys who don't come to fight and can't fight.

Any HW can get knocked down. He got up from Wilder's best shot, nobody else in the division would have rose from that, and Joshua would still be asleep from a shot like that today.

Also, people need to realise that chin/punch/KO resistance is broken down into several categories.

1. Actual shot resistance.
2. Recovery time.
3. Recovery instincts.
4. Awareness/understand of what's needed.

1. Anyone can be hurt from a flush shot at HW

2. Fury's recovery power is unreal.

3. Watch every one of Fury's knockdowns and how he recovers. Willingness/ability to do what it takes to servive. Dodging, holding, moving, and landing a key shot to stop on onslaught, like his great shot vs Wilder.

4. Again, vs Wilder, he was down from a bomb for 9 seconds, knew Wilder was coming hard, so watch him dodge brilliantly, straight after being hurt, yet Wilder keeps coming throwing bombs, Fury knows the only way to stop this is to land a significant shot of his own, and that's exactly what he does, he lands a massive single shot that throws Wilder back, and Wilder remains on the backfoot until the final bell.

Sometimes I think people on this forum are so biased that they just can't see and understand boxing from a neutral perspective. Fury has proven himself when the going gets tough, that's the sign of a great.

BTW, he eats Joshua for breakfast...Twice!

And cherry picks? What utter nonsense. Wlad away from home and the hardest puncher ever after losing 10 stone in 12 months! Mandatories mean f all, it's about fighting the best.

Wlad, Wilder, and soon Joshua, that's Fury fighting the best. Not defending against the likes of Pulev and Parker. Like they'd be hard work for Fury!

[QueensburyRules]

History will remember Armstrong as the guy who used PED's in every TDF win and was stripped of them all because of it. He may get a little credit for admitting it finally, but he will be forgotten for his tainted victories as this link will show.

https://www.topendsports.com/events/...nners-list.htm

The rest of that rambling and incoherent post you made? All I can say is put the bottle down and try to get to a meeting this morning. You need help.

- -Their U go again with U link fetish.

Not part of U little glee club of using PEDs for U links.

[JAB5239]

- -Their U go again with U link fetish.

Not part of U little glee club of using PEDs for U links.

You mad because you can't back up any of your lies with an actual link? You're a dope, plain and simple.

[PredatorStyle]

I personally never thought so. Just factoring everything in. Sparring stories (to a small degree), Holyfield's lack of intimidation of Tyson, and the fact that Holyfield beat him 2x post Michael Moorer heart problems. I think Holyfield was further past his prime than Tyson was. Thoughts?

I don't think so either.

What sparring stories?

[Dr. Z]

Any HW can get knocked down. He got up from Wilder's best shot, nobody else in the division would have rose from that, and Joshua would still be asleep from a shot like that today.

Also, people need to realise that chin/punch/KO resistance is broken down into several categories.

1. Actual shot resistance.
2. Recovery time.
3. Recovery instincts.
4. Awareness/understand of what's needed.

1. Anyone can be hurt from a flush shot at HW

2. Fury's recovery power is unreal.

3. Watch every one of Fury's knockdowns and how he recovers. Willingness/ability to do what it takes to servive. Dodging, holding, moving, and landing a key shot to stop on onslaught, like his great shot vs Wilder.

4. Again, vs Wilder, he was down from a bomb for 9 seconds, knew Wilder was coming hard, so watch him dodge brilliantly, straight after being hurt, yet Wilder keeps coming throwing bombs, Fury knows the only way to stop this is to land a significant shot of his own, and that's exactly what he does, he lands a massive single shot that throws Wilder back, and Wilder remains on the backfoot until the final bell.

Sometimes I think people on this forum are so biased that they just can't see and understand boxing from a neutral perspective. Fury has proven himself when the going gets tough, that's the sign of a great.

BTW, he eats Joshua for breakfast...Twice!

And cherry picks? What utter nonsense. Wlad away from home and the hardest puncher ever after losing 10 stone in 12 months! Mandatories mean f all, it's about fighting the best.

Wlad, Wilder, and soon Joshua, that's Fury fighting the best. Not defending against the likes of Pulev and Parker. Like they'd be hard work for Fury!

Some of Fury's fans are really out there. Mediocre guys who really could not fight, hurt and floored Fury. The film does not lie. I dismissed his dubious decision vs. John McDermott due to learning on the job even though that should have been a loss.

His chin is not magically better just because you wish it is. If Wilder had skills, or landed his bomb a few rounds before the 12th, he probably knocks Fury out

Facts are medium level puncher's and light punchers hurt Fury. Stop trying to whitewash it. It happened. Film does not lie. As soon as he faces a man in his prime with skills that can punch, he's a goner. He has faced none.

Who did he beat? A 39 year old man, who did not look interested in fighting, and Wilder, who everybody knew was over rated and was getting older. Okay, so that 2 wins vs top ten opponents. Any more to brag about? Nope. How can this be, he's been boxing as a pro since 2008. Over ten years. He could not even fight his Dec 7 date, even though he said he would.

As for cherry picks, Fury has his share, no doubt. And he's a PED cheat to boot.

I think Joshua drills Fury, and there is a reason this fight has not happened yet. Its because Fury still thinks he can fight top 20-50 rated guys for his title defenses and make more money until he's ready to cash out.