Would any version of Tyson beat Holyfield?

[slicksouthpaw16]

I personally never thought so. Just factoring everything in. Sparring stories (to a small degree), Holyfield's lack of intimidation of Tyson, and the fact that Holyfield beat him 2x post Michael Moorer heart problems. I think Holyfield was further past his prime than Tyson was. Thoughts?

[cfang]

Holy beats tyson every time. Generally more resolute and not scared

[BKM-]

Almost any version of Holyfield beats any version of Tyson. Anybody who believes otherwise probably doesn't have much knowledge on the sport or the careers of these two boxers.

Holyfield has pretty much everything that is needed to beat Tyson and then some. Holyfield is an incredibly well rounded fighter while Tyson is incredibly one dimensional.

There's various ways to beat Tyson. You have to put him on the backfoot, not let him set up his combo's, nullify him on the inside, fight dirty and bully him etc.. You have to have attributes like heart, chin, stamina, grappling strength etc. Evander has all of this in abundance.

The Cus style is a one trick pony. It's flashy stuff, designed for front runners who happen to be genetic freaks. All that taxing, fancy movement that Tyson fans are so high on is only there in the early to middle part of the fight at most. By then the opponent has to be ko'd already or way behind on point. Tyson always fades and gets frustrated. Maybe two of his many ko's resulted in LATE stoppages for a reason.

It's an overrated style, it's not going to beat the all time great heavyweights. Cus trained tons and tons of young men to become boxers for many decades. How many of those truly became great fighters with his style? Tyson, Torres, Patterson. Two of those happen to be two of the biggest genetic freaks HW's we've seen. Almost everybody puts Tyson & Patterson in the top 3 fastest HW's ever. They were destined for great things regardless of the old man.

What else did Cus produce with that overrated style? Not much. It's one dimensional, it's taxing, it has a short lifespan.

[QueensburyRules]

I personally never thought so. Just factoring everything in. Sparring stories (to a small degree), Holyfield's lack of intimidation of Tyson, and the fact that Holyfield beat him 2x post Michael Moorer heart problems. I think Holyfield was further past his prime than Tyson was. Thoughts?

- -Your limited vision.

Field elected to home school in the nascent failed hvy div called Cruiserweight and Lennie elected to keep his AMA BigBoy trainers in 3 rounders.

Strike the now mentally ill Tyson out their records, and we're talkin' anemic records.

[slicksouthpaw16]

- -Your limited vision.

Field elected to home school in the nascent failed hvy div called Cruiserweight and Lennie elected to keep his AMA BigBoy trainers in 3 rounders.

Strike the now mentally ill Tyson out their records, and we're talkin' anemic records.

I'm trying to figure out the point you're getting at? It's like you're posting in codes

[JAB5239]

I'm trying to figure out the point you're getting at? It's like you're posting in codes

I'm trying to figure out why he is still lying about Tyson being mentally ill when I provided a link to the psychiatric report clearly stating he was not. Queenie makes a lot of claims but he backs none of them up.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm trying to figure out the point you're getting at? It's like you're posting in codes

- -If you can't see they were too busy in lesser divisions to fight Mike at his Apex, well , whatever.

You are engaging in noncoherent free streaming thought in lieu of understanding fighter timelines.

Timeline the reason we don't rank Berbick over Ali and so on.

[thebrownbomber_]

I think Tyson has all the neccesary tools to defeat Holyfield. In his prime, he was a combination puncher and went to the body alot, compared to post-prison Tyson who was a headhunting brawler. If you watch the Holyfield rematch, Tyson was having success when he threw combinations, and was consistently landing that right hand. I think Tyson is capabale of beating any version of Holyfield, as well as the reverse.

As per your comment on Holyfield being farther past his best in 1996, Evander himself said on reddit that he felt he was in his mental prime in 1996, while Tyson was not in his best frame of mind after prison. Regardless, he should have the mental edge being a huge favorite and Holyfield earned his victory against Tyson.

[thebrownbomber_]

I see it like this. A action packed trilogy with these results:
Tyson wins the first fight by a close and maybe even controversial UD
Holyfield wins the second fight by a close but clear UD
Holyfield wins the third with a razor thin but clear UD after a hard fought war.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I'm trying to figure out why he is still lying about Tyson being mentally ill when I provided a link to the psychiatric report clearly stating he was not. Queenie makes a lot of claims but he backs none of them up.

Admittedly, I did see an interview where Tyson stated that he was "off his medication" when he kicked the one guy in the balls during that road rage incident (then he KOed another guy in the street). Its a Vladtv interview on YouTube and Zab Judah is interviewing him. Doesn't mean he's definitely mentally ill, but it suggest IMO that he needs some type of medication to control himself/actions. I personally always thought he was a tad bit off lol I think the weed/meds are helping him these days. He was always a very intelligent guy but you can tell his dark past affects him upstairs.