Happy Brexit day.

[Kris Silver]

Ah yes this is the type of stuff.. auto industry worldwide has been struggling but its Brexit that's the cause

Nothing to do with companies cutting huge numbers of jobs as they are forced to go electric right? or US/China tariffs?

Conveniently left that out of the post or maybe not as "clued" up as you act.

Addressed in part here:
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/07/13-au...-myths-busted/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188
Production fell 9.1% to 1.52m vehicles, with output for the UK and for export falling 16.3% and 7.3% respectively.

Brexit uncertainty has "done enormous damage", said SMMT chief Mike Hawes.

"As a highly-integrated sector that has maximised the benefits of the European single market and customs union, a 'no-deal' Brexit is the most significant threat to the competitiveness of the UK automotive sector in a generation," he said.


What you mention are elements causing issues more generally in the industry. But the UK is acutely suffering under investment to record levels since the Brexit vote, and no experts cite Brexit as improving the industry based on what we have today, only worsening.

You can ignore my points, but experts in industry and actual statistics backing these points up, hold more weight.

[MOTHERDUCKER]

Addressed in part here:
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/07/13-au...-myths-busted/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188
Production fell 9.1% to 1.52m vehicles, with output for the UK and for export falling 16.3% and 7.3% respectively.

Brexit uncertainty has "done enormous damage", said SMMT chief Mike Hawes.

"As a highly-integrated sector that has maximised the benefits of the European single market and customs union, a 'no-deal' Brexit is the most significant threat to the competitiveness of the UK automotive sector in a generation," he said.


What you mention are elements causing issues more generally in the industry. But the UK is acutely suffering under investment to record levels since the Brexit vote, and no experts cite Brexit as improving the industry based on what we have today, only worsening.

You can ignore my points, but experts in industry and actual statistics backing these points up, hold more weight.

"My points" that you copied and pasted from a BBC article sure mate..

Oh and it's rambling to say the move to electric/US/China Tarrifs and general worldwide economic slowdown outside of the US have caused massive issues within the industry?

Or it's you being dishonest putting all the blame on Brexit failing to mention other massive factors either through ignorance or more likely ignoring them on purpose because it doesn't back up your view of the world

Being left in limbo with no clear direction for 4 years also must have been amazing for businesses right.. nothing businesses love more then uncertainty.. NOT.. That uncertainty even mentioned in your article is now gone and at least now we are heading somewhere whether you like that or not it's happening. What's even more funny is that "uncertainty" was because people like you (assuming probably correctly your a remainer) and remainer politicians like May stalled this **** out for years

[Robbie Barrett]

Addressed in part here:
https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/07/13-au...-myths-busted/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188
Production fell 9.1% to 1.52m vehicles, with output for the UK and for export falling 16.3% and 7.3% respectively.

Brexit uncertainty has "done enormous damage", said SMMT chief Mike Hawes.

"As a highly-integrated sector that has maximised the benefits of the European single market and customs union, a 'no-deal' Brexit is the most significant threat to the competitiveness of the UK automotive sector in a generation," he said.


What you mention are elements causing issues more generally in the industry. But the UK is acutely suffering under investment to record levels since the Brexit vote, and no experts cite Brexit as improving the industry based on what we have today, only worsening.

You can ignore my points, but experts in industry and actual statistics backing these points up, hold more weight.

Germany vehicle production is down 9% too. So no it's not worse in the UK.

[Vlad_]

We did it people. the UK takes the first step to becoming great again.

Congratulations to the people of the UK Robbie.

We might disagree on certain boxers, but we can agree on this.

[MOTHERDUCKER]

Germany vehicle production is down 9% too. So no it's not worse in the UK.

Across the world the auto industry is having trouble but he makes no mention of it and blames BREXIT!! without mentioning the other issues plaguing it

Even if you want to go the uncertainty route and say it caused big issues.. That's because it took 4 freaking years to sort this crap out.. hell even back one month ago they were still screaming for a 2nd referendum only to have those hopes crushed.

Maybe if they had actually accepted a democratic vote and move on instead of crying for the past 4 years.. the uncertainty would have been over a long time ago because i agree its certainly not good for business.

[billeau2]

We did it people. the UK takes the first step to becoming great again.

Happy Brexit Day. Many of us here are behind you. The burocracy, the unelected ningkumpoops that are put into positions of power... and the new world order that results from these syndacites have all been dealt a blow today.

[billeau2]

Not really. We can't do without the eu though as a small nation. Fortunately we have exemptions from key points, and other things we will have to try to change from within. That's where brexit is a huge loss for us imo. We happen to agree with the uk a lot.

It is a real dilemma. and perhaps with a little luck, pluck and planning, in the future countries can decide to form alliances that challenge the hegemony of the EU.

There is no doubt that for a country the size of Denmark, leaving the EU would, at least initially be a disaster.

[Kris Silver]

"My points" that you copied and pasted from a BBC article sure mate..

Oh and it's rambling to say the move to electric/US/China Tarrifs and general worldwide economic slowdown outside of the US have caused massive issues within the industry?

Or it's you being dishonest putting all the blame on Brexit failing to mention other massive factors either through ignorance or more likely ignoring them on purpose because it doesn't back up your view of the world

Being left in limbo with no clear direction for 4 years also must have been amazing for businesses right.. nothing businesses love more then uncertainty.. NOT.. That uncertainty even mentioned in your article is now gone and at least now we are heading somewhere whether you like that or not it's happening. What's even more funny is that "uncertainty" was because people like you (assuming probably correctly your a remainer) and remainer politicians like May stalled this **** out for years

I provided sources and quotes from industry experts citing Brexit as a considerable factor in lessened investment and poorer outlook. That supported my points.

You haven't done any of that. I never said Brexit's entirely to blame, and the links provided accepted there's other factors. Granted.

What many industry experts and economists were calling for was close alignment with our nearest and biggest traders still. Now we are likely heading for a harder Brexit whereby Single Market and Customs promises made a few years ago, and rights for people, are entirely now gone back on. A hard Brexit may well be close to no deal Brexit. So you can take the experts warnings on impacting smooth supply chains, tarrifs, just in time supply chains, with significant and valid weight this year. There isn't certainty yet. Brexit isn't done. It's just begun.

Let's see where were at this time next year. I don't wish anyone ill. But I also don't ignore numerous experts or Government own analysis, warning on being worse off, with industries affected, larger debt, issues to customs, travel, and loss of jobs. If you think we'll get a better deal with the US (let alone any country) you're at odds with reality. It'll take years to renegotiate deals with countries, which as a smaller trader will be inferior.

[Mighty_Windir]

Very happy for you all.

May God bless the UK

[Mighty_Windir]

This aged pretty well:



Subscribing to him as we speak