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  • [REAL TALK] Racial purity is “scientifically meaningless," say 8,000 geneticists

    American geneticists take a stand against the misuse of their science by racists.

    PAUL RATNER
    24 October, 2018

    The largest society of geneticists decries the distortion of ideas by racists.
    Science does not support the concept of race.
    Race is a social construct, explain the scientists.
    The science of genetics deals with the very small, but cannot escape the larger societal implications that are often catalyzed by its research. Genetics have been invoked (incorrectly) by the growing white supremacy movement in the U.S. in order to justify its ideas about race. In an attempt to disassociate genetics from such views, the American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG) has come out with a statement that declares the concept of "racial purity" meaningless from a scientific standpoint.

    The society, which is the largest professional organization of scientists who work in human genetics, has about 8,000 members. Its statement calls the ideas of white supremacists about genetics "bogus," "discredited" and "distorted". The ASHG also makes a clear point that as far as the scientists are concerned, the age-old concept of race is wrong and humans cannot be split into subcategories that would be biologically different from each other.

    "The study of human genetics challenges the traditional concept of different races of humans as biologically separate and distinct," write the scientists.
    The reason there is no race purity is due to the genetic intermixing of populations that results from constant migrations which have taken place all throughout human history. The constant movement of people resulted in very blurry genetic lines between groups.

    And if you're wondering whether this is something controversial in the scientific community, the statement goes on to say that the fact that there are no completely separate races is supported by decades of research, including six recent studies like the 2017 paper from the Center for Research on Genomics and Global Health, directly titled "Human ancestry correlates with language and reveals that race is not an objective genomic classifier".

    Race, according to the scientists, is a "social construct" that is derived from people self-identifying with races based on physical appearance. Furthermore, there is no genetics-based support for claiming one group superior to another, expound the researchers.



    Credit: Youtube/Museum of the Moving Image

    White supremacists chugging milk. NYC. 2017.

    The need for actual geneticists to take a stand is driven by the spread of racial purity myths that have been soundly disproven by science. Unexpectedly, one such strange idea taking hold relates to drinking milk. Some white nationalists believe that the ability to digest lactose in milk is somehow a characteristic of racial identity. They twist genetic research to conclude that it's a trait of white people to drink and digest milk. And if you're not able to do it, you might as well go back to where you came from. This tends to be especially directed at people of African ancestry, writes Amy Harmon in the New York Times.

    This kind of bizarre thinking led to the phenomenon of milk chugging, whereby gathered white supremacists down gallons of milk. Of course, it bears pointing out that lactase - the enzyme that breaks down milk is not specific to white people and is found in 35% of the world's population.

    Other racist misuses of genetics include the tropes of "natural" racial hierarchies - this kind of thinking was employed to justify slavery, the American eugenics movement, and the "racial hygiene" laws of the Nazis.

    To continue debunking such ideas, the society of geneticists encourages its members to become more active politically and socially to "reflect their values".

    You can read their statement in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

    https://bigthink.com/politics-curren...UXpxoOqSUY7yfY

  • #2
    ross purity is “scientifically meaningless" too. but some people love the guy.

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    • #3
      This is the same tactic "gender is a social construct" theorists use, depicting the enemy team as equally extreme, debunking that extreme position and declaring a consensus in favor of their extreme view despite it being scientifically ridiculous.

      In this strawman argument... Invent people obsessed with "purity" or treat "purity" as a prerequisite to racial typologies (which it never has been), debunk the concept of "purity", then act as though you've by proxy debunked the existence of dramatic trait differences on a gradual spectrum.

      "PR people associated with science organizations take advantage of scientifically illiterate audiences"

      Race, according to the scientists, is a "social construct"
      No, it is not, at least not outside of a handful of universities in the US, UK and Scandinavia where they would be ruined and possibly physically harmed if they disagreed, therefore don't matter when it comes to this topic. In the rest of the world such as China genetic research is much freer & traditional anthropological typologies have been proven to align almost perfectly with modern genetic clusters. The classical racial speciation timeline is correct & there is global consensus outside of a few outlier countries including ours.

      Gender and race are 100% biologically real and there is no serious alternative thesis in either case.

      Falling for this crap is a litmus test & a means to promote political systems that rely upon the myth that divergent evolution is a lie, everyone is magically "equal", and there for social/technological inequity is the result of "oppression" which can only be lifted via marxist revolution. This is why they hammer away so aggressively and to such ridiculous extremes at race and gender.

      Evolutionists will crush Marxist race/gender-denialism marxists for two simple reasons:
      1. The West is collapsing and biological denial is laughed at in Eastern academia
      2. Genetic engineering breakthroughs will turn trait selection mainstream and nobody will opt for mediocrity therefore the main incentive for race denialism (unresolvable envy) will largely vanish
      Last edited by ////; 04-07-2019, 12:13 PM.

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      • #4
        Drinking milk makes you a racist? What do Black Panthers drink? Yoo Hoo?

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        • #5
          - -Every traditional race has a concept of race.

          Every traditional race has peculiar, readily identifiable traits passed down.

          I guestimate that 95% or more of historical proposed scientific theories have proven to be pure bunkum. See Piltdown Man, phrenology, Lamarckism for starters.

          No Shame in that for the free range thinkers needed to explore the nature of the inexplicable universe and human nature until said scientists start imposing their imperfect science on the population through ignorant politicians who are generally bound together in parsing up people according to race, class, sex, political party in ad infinitum for exploitation.

          Keep in mind scientists are just as mercantile as anyone and it's their science and allayed engineering that has been used in an ongoing pollution and destruction of the planet, and now they are selling solutions, band aids really.

          Has there ever been an invention or scientific advance worth anything that hasn't been used to advance WAR?

          The very nature of true science is skepticism, hence the debunking of most theories, so gonna send these latest dogooders back to the woodshed. Folks weren't ever made the same monolithic, one size fits all model, and now their WMDs and latest scientific advancements are destroying us all. Soon AI will be replacing these eggheads, and then what?

          The universe survives with or without us, so these guys need to get with the program instead of being used as just another gizmo for The Machine.
          Last edited by QueensburyRules; 04-07-2019, 12:26 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by //// View Post
            This is the same tactic "gender is a social construct" theorists use, depicting the enemy team as equally extreme, debunking that extreme position and declaring a consensus in favor of their extreme view despite it being scientifically ridiculous.

            In this strawman argument... Invent people obsessed with "purity" or treat "purity" as a prerequisite to racial typologies (which it never has been), debunk the concept of "purity", then act as though you've by proxy debunked the existence of dramatic trait differences on a gradual spectrum.

            "PR people associated with science organizations take advantage of scientifically illiterate audiences"



            No, it is not, at least not outside of a handful of universities in the US, UK and Scandinavia where they would be ruined and possibly physically harmed if they disagreed, therefore don't matter when it comes to this topic. In the rest of the world such as China genetic research is much freer & traditional anthropological typologies have been proven to align almost perfectly with modern genetic clusters. The classical racial speciation timeline is correct & there is global consensus outside of a few outlier countries including ours.

            Gender and race are 100% biologically real and there is no serious alternative thesis in either case.

            Falling for this crap is a litmus test & a means to promote political systems that rely upon the myth that divergent evolution is a lie, everyone is magically "equal", and there for social/technological inequity is the result of "oppression" which can only be lifted via marxist revolution. This is why they hammer away so aggressively and to such ridiculous extremes at race and gender.

            Evolutionists will crush Marxist race/gender-denialism marxists for two simple reasons:
            1. The West is collapsing and biological denial is laughed at in Eastern academia
            2. Genetic engineering breakthroughs will turn trait selection mainstream and nobody will opt for mediocrity therefore the main incentive for race denialism (unresolvable envy) will largely vanish
            Are you naive or just stupid? Seriously you quote studies from China as independent and free when in reality it is ruled by a repressive dictatorship that influences all aspects if Chinese personal, political and scientific thought. Top that off with China being famous for hostility to foreigners and in particular to Africans.

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            • #7
              The major racial categorizations are grounded in geographic isolation during the migrations out of Africa. There are specific crossroads where Caucasoid & Mongoloid diverged for example and modern genetic data PERFECTLY verifies these categorizations.

              You are correct in that every ethnic group tends to have a "race mythos" regarding their origin (usually entwined with religious beliefs), but that's very different from the rather mundane realities of biological speciation & reproductive isolation creating dramatically different behaviors/appearances between major populations.

              What these political radicals attempt to do with race & gender is use independent clines (basically spectrums) that cross races/genders with no apparent correlation to the overall cline as evidence that the whole concept is a "social construct". It isn't scientifically sound but it means they won't be sued or beaten and that's the current state of academia in the West.

              If you want to read state-of-the-art ethnic/anthropological research then get a good Asian language translator. Western academia simply isn't allowed to research the topic to any serious degree so they instead release hilarious "petitions" declaring the whole thing to be unethical or imaginary.
              Last edited by ////; 04-07-2019, 12:32 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TonyGe View Post
                Are you naive or just stupid? Seriously you quote studies from China as independent and free when in reality it is ruled by a repressive dictatorship that influences all aspects if Chinese personal, political and scientific thought. Top that off with China being famous for hostility to foreigners and in particular to Africans.
                Hello guy who clearly has never studied any of this himself and probably thinks US television news is 100% neutral and everything Russia/China do is evil (after learning of their existence for the first time in late 2015) while simultaneously calling for us to adopt their political systems. I do not care what you think about anything. Bye.
                Last edited by ////; 04-07-2019, 12:36 PM.

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                • #9
                  One thing that annoys me about this kind of stuff is that it is obviously not going to be allowed for any scientist, publicly-funded as they are (for the most part), to espouse anything except a mainstream agenda. If scientists could at least be explicit about their assumptions and motivations, that would be a nice start.

                  Regardless, a good question to ask is whether there might be some biological basis to the breeds and types that we see in non-human animals, whereby particular characteristics and temperaments occur.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
                    - -Every traditional race has a concept of race.

                    Every traditional race has peculiar, readily identifiable traits passed down.

                    I guestimate that 95% or more of historical proposed scientific theories have proven to be pure bunkum. See Piltdown Man, phrenology, Lamarckism for starters.

                    No Shame in that for the free range thinkers needed to explore the nature of the inexplicable universe and human nature until said scientists start imposing their imperfect science on the population through ignorant politicians who are generally bound together in parsing up people according to race, class, sex, political party in ad infinitum for exploitation.

                    Keep in mind scientists are just as mercantile as anyone and it's their science and allayed engineering that has been used in an ongoing pollution and destruction of the planet, and now they are selling solutions, band aids really.

                    Has there ever been an invention or scientific advance worth anything that hasn't been used to advance WAR?

                    The very nature of true science is skepticism, hence the debunking of most theories, so gonna send these latest dogooders back to the woodshed. Folks weren't ever made the same monolithic, one size fits all model, and now their WMDs and latest scientific advancements are destroying us all. Soon AI will be replacing these eggheads, and then what?

                    The universe survives with or without us, so these guys need to get with the program instead of being used as just another gizmo for The Machine.
                    These people don't want solutions. It's intellectual masturbation.

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