Milk or no Milk (Dairy vs. no Dairy Diet?)

[PRINCEKOOL]

Yeah a twat bodybuilder on youtube, a steroid user and fox news are good, credible sources lol.

Actual science strongly suggests that dairy is by no means healthy.

Stop talking to me.

[Madison Boxing]

everything in moderation is my motto. know some guys put the scientific links up but you can get studies on the other side of the fence, quick google and i found one saying a glass of milk reducues likelihood of heart attack and stroke. With the dietary industry theres not much funding for some of these studies (compared to the the pharmaceutical industry) so your relying on poor quality scientific evidence, youre unlikely to get a large well designed randomised cotnrol study for it. A glass of milk or a few eggs a day isnt going to do much damage imo. The diet industry goes around in circles looking for things to blame, one day its sugar, the next day its carbs, then its fats, then its dairy, then its meat. Cant imagine cutting out a glass of milk a day will make someone feel like a superhero.

[BuakawBanchamek]

everything in moderation is my motto. know some guys put the scientific links up but you can get studies on the other side of the fence, quick google and i found one saying a glass of milk reducues likelihood of heart attack and stroke. With the dietary industry theres not much funding for some of these studies (compared to the the pharmaceutical industry) so your relying on poor quality scientific evidence, youre unlikely to get a large well designed randomised cotnrol study for it. A glass of milk or a few eggs a day isnt going to do much damage imo. The diet industry goes around in circles looking for things to blame, one day its sugar, the next day its carbs, then its fats, then its dairy, then its meat. Cant imagine cutting out a glass of milk a day will make someone feel like a superhero.

1. How about you link your study?
2. Name the thing that was poorly designed in my referenced studies.
3. How can milk reduce the likelyhood of heart disease if
we already know for a long time that dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat cause heart disease?

4. "The diet industry goes around in circles looking for things to blame, one day its sugar, the next day its carbs, then its fats, then its dairy, then its meat. "

Yeah no, the scientific evidence researchers provide on that topic are pretty clear. This is not a marketing thing by the "diet industry" like you imply it, this is evidence backed up by large organisations like the WHO and American Dietetic Association.

[Madison Boxing]

1. How about you link your study?
2. Name the thing that was poorly designed in my referenced studies.
3. How can milk reduce the likelyhood of heart disease if
we already know for a long time that dietary Cholesterol and saturated fat cause heart disease?

4. "The diet industry goes around in circles looking for things to blame, one day its sugar, the next day its carbs, then its fats, then its dairy, then its meat. "

Yeah no, the scientific evidence researchers provide on that topic are pretty clear. This is not a marketing thing by the "diet industry" like you imply it, this is evidence backed up by large organisations like the WHO and American Dietetic Association.

its not crystal clear, case control studies are weak evidence, one of the studies had like 10 people in it too or something that i clicked yesterday, theres controversy on whether dietary cholesterol is even directly correlated with cholesterol in the blood due to the way its metabolised. And again ive read things (i cba to go on pubmed) that have said maybe saturated fat isnt as bad as first thought and its transfats that are the enemy. I read the other day about how salt now isnt as bad as first feared. My point is noone really has a clue lol as theres studies that sit both sides of the fence.

[Richard P]

its not crystal clear, case control studies are weak evidence, one of the studies had like 10 people in it too or something that i clicked yesterday, theres controversy on whether dietary cholesterol is even directly correlated with cholesterol in the blood due to the way its metabolised. And again ive read things (i cba to go on pubmed) that have said maybe saturated fat isnt as bad as first thought and its transfats that are the enemy. I read the other day about how salt now isnt as bad as first feared. My point is noone really has a clue lol as theres studies that sit both sides of the fence.

I sort of see your logic, you should read the Daily Mail (awful UK newspaper, very right wing) It is fear after fear on what you should/shouldnt eat.

1 minute bacon will give you cancer, the next coconut is bad, then it is the greatest thing in the world, then cheese is good, then bad

Like you say one minute something is the worst thing since the devil, the next it isnt so bad

Everything in moderation, if you are not in fight camp and proper training, a doughnut once a while is gonna be ok, the sugar will make you feel good and you will be happy, but a box every week is probably not the best idea. likewise, steak every day is probably not the best for your heart but a few times a week isnt gonna be that bad

[Richard P]

I read that apparently chocolate milk (skimmed) is the new peanut butter for body builders. It provides enough sugar to lift you and get your fix without too many calories as a reverse

[BuakawBanchamek]

I sort of see your logic, you should read the Daily Mail (awful UK newspaper, very right wing) It is fear after fear on what you should/shouldnt eat.

1 minute bacon will give you cancer, the next coconut is bad, then it is the greatest thing in the world, then cheese is good, then bad

Like you say one minute something is the worst thing since the devil, the next it isnt so bad

Everything in moderation, if you are not in fight camp and proper training, a doughnut once a while is gonna be ok, the sugar will make you feel good and you will be happy, but a box every week is probably not the best idea. likewise, steak every day is probably not the best for your heart but a few times a week isnt gonna be that bad

Yes bacon and processed meats are risk factors for cancer and promote cancer growth. This has been stated by the WHO 2 years ago. This is a FACT.

Cheese is also bad given the saturated fat, cholesterol which are risk factors for diabetes and heart disease. as well as promoting cancer and having large amounts of estrogens.

Steak is not healthy and is actually one risk factor for heart disease, diabetes and cancer. You would have to eat very very moderately amounts of steak to not have an health impact.
Eating meat few times a week is not moderate.

[BuakawBanchamek]

its not crystal clear, case control studies are weak evidence, one of the studies had like 10 people in it too or something that i clicked yesterday, theres controversy on whether dietary cholesterol is even directly correlated with cholesterol in the blood due to the way its metabolised. And again ive read things (i cba to go on pubmed) that have said maybe saturated fat isnt as bad as first thought and its transfats that are the enemy. I read the other day about how salt now isnt as bad as first feared. My point is noone really has a clue lol as theres studies that sit both sides of the fence.

Did you even read any of my linked research?

Those are mechanistic data NOT population studies.
We know for a FACT that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raise your serum Cholesterol levels. Which will eventually lead to heart disease, inflammtion and diabetes.
Regardless of that we also have research, which I linked btw, that
suggests that milk promotes cancer growth.

Dietary Cholesterol is not related to serum Cholesterol levels?

Proof that claim by linking any scientific research.


You keep making these anecdotes saying your read something online how about you ACTUALLY link your articles?

[BuakawBanchamek]

I read that apparently chocolate milk (skimmed) is the new peanut butter for body builders. It provides enough sugar to lift you and get your fix without too many calories as a reverse

How about actually backing up any claims that you make?
It seems quite ridiculous at that tbh

[Madison Boxing]

Did you even read any of my linked research?

Those are mechanistic data NOT population studies.
We know for a FACT that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol raise your serum Cholesterol levels. Which will eventually lead to heart disease, inflammtion and diabetes.
Regardless of that we also have research, which I linked btw, that
suggests that milk promotes cancer growth.

Dietary Cholesterol is not related to serum Cholesterol levels?

Proof that claim by linking any scientific research.


You keep making these anecdotes saying your read something online how about you ACTUALLY link your articles?

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/p...d-201502127713

harvard medical school 'Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.” They dont seem so sure its a fact?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0524001009.htm

A diet rich in milk does not increase the risk of heart disease and stroke, and may even be protective, concludes research in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.