Reactive Mitts with a student (Showing Off)

[frosty-g]

What did you think of the Wright-Soliman fight?

your point is what precisely?

[Live2box]

[QUOTE=TheAuthority;12858824]Barry,

The above answer my questions regarding power, however I have already said in previous posts that it not necessary to to throw with full power at all times.

What about technique?
For me, the main issue with this type of pad work is technique (although I still maintain that on most occasions we should use some power for various reasons).



Just my two cents piece:
I do think this has lots of benefit to young boxers, but only if he/she has a sound fundamental baisics. By doing close range mitts in patterns which trainer and his boxer both understand, it has lots of benefit. E.g.

1. At such range, there is no time to think. Throwing combos repeatedly is like offence defence cos it can avoid or put your opponent off balance from counter leading.

2. There is no time to react. There is no way you can see the punches come at you at that range. This drill can give young boxers a good habit of moving the head straight after the lead to either set up his/her next shot or just avoid being hit. I used to get my young boxers to move (slip, glide or ride) their heads regardless after a power shot at the bag or long punches during shadow boxing. Keep in mind that whenever you lead (miss or hit) you are in your opposition's firing zone. So it's hard to avoid or defend against an oncoming lead you don't expect. So when pad holder repeatedly fires the pad back can created a good defensive habit.

3. It's a good way of get cardio workout.

In summary it may covered up for some of the lapese at close range (offence/defence) which may have been missed during the normal or light skills sparring sessions. My only concern with this type of mitts work is (if this is the only form of mitts work you do at the gym) It can give young boxers false sense of distancing and may unconciously stays at the firing zone, or drift into it as a habit.

But as long as it's only a supplements for the basic fundamental mitts, I don't have a problem with it. I even do something similar myself but not the same pattern as what I have seen.

You must still keep the other so call old school training I believe..lol!

E.g.
a)Getting the young boxers to bridge the cap from a distance and throw lead and counter lead drills with full bio-mechanic movements to the mitt holder.

b) Heavy bag session. Providing the boxer is instructed to set up power shots with fast shots and use the swings of the bag to time the punches properly.

b) Quality sparring, as well as light technique sparring.

c) Good quality shadow boxing

d) Other boxing related cardio or conditioning workout.

Just my two cents piece.

[deejd]

your point is what precisely?

Did you even watch the fight? Are you familiar with those two fighters?

[deejd]

your point is what precisely?

How about Broner-PDL?

Do you know these guys? Have you watched these fights?

[Live2box]

Sorry to crash into your party guys. Excuse my ignorant, but what's your point Deejd (Solomon vs Wright)? I'm new in this chat room. I watched the fight and it was messy. Perhaps messy was an understatement! hahaha!! Soliman was doing everything the opposite from what everyone else doing..hahahaha! He slipped for no reasons from the distance, even when no punches thrown at him. And from what I remember he even he threw upper cut leads from long range..and catches Wright. Perhaps it's because it was the last thing Wright expected..hahaha! Indeed it upset Wright's rhythm big time..hahaha! Night mare and ugly fight to watch.

[deejd]

your point is what precisely?

How about Cunningham-Adamek?

Whitaker-Nelson?

Jones-Hopkins I?

[Live2box]

Have you ever seen a guy by the name of Mike "Bounty" Hunter? He had sadly passed away but perhaps the most under rated cruiserweight/heavyweight fighter cos he can make anyone looks bad. Sadly I heard he had drugs problem and had no disciplines but what natural gifts he had.

[TheAuthority]

1. At such range, there is no time to think. Throwing combos repeatedly is like offence defence cos it can avoid or put your opponent off balance from counter leading.

2. There is no time to react. There is no way you can see the punches come at you at that range. This drill can give young boxers a good habit of moving the head straight after the lead to either set up his/her next shot or just avoid being hit. I used to get my young boxers to move (slip, glide or ride) their heads regardless after a power shot at the bag or long punches during shadow boxing. Keep in mind that whenever you lead (miss or hit) you are in your opposition's firing zone. So it's hard to avoid or defend against an oncoming lead you don't expect. So when pad holder repeatedly fires the pad back can created a good defensive habit.

3. It's a good way of get cardio workout.

I agree entirely mate. I just think all these benefits would be developed more using better technique.

[TheAuthority]

How about Broner-PDL?

Do you know these guys? Have you watched these fights?

I have watched this one - What is your point mate?

[TheAuthority]

i also agree that an understanding of psychological principles can seriously help the teaching/learning process.

the soviets and cubans incorporated a lot of this into the methodologies. one of the reasons that i decided to take a masters degree in psychology was my boxing coaching apprenticeship in cuba taught me the importance of psychology across all areas of the sport and in life in general.

you can certainly get by without understanding these things but if you can get a good understanding, why not? - if definitely helps, it gives deeper insight into why things work, how they work best, and can iron out a lot of problems in learning, as well as optimise things at a more advanced level.
unless i'm totally missing something and those things are not useful...

I agree mate.

I have a degree in psychology (but have since moved more into neuroscience) too and it certainly helps.

One thing I have noticed is that many good, experienced coaches have the same understanding that I have (more so on many occasions), however they have gained this knowledge without academic study - they have learned on the job through many years of experience.

Have you noticed this with any of the more experienced coaches you have worked with? For example, they probably wouldn't be able to verbalize why they are doing something or why it works, and they probably wouldn't be able to sit a written exam on the subject, but they know.