Reactive Mitts with a student (Showing Off)

[BarryRobinson]

Hindsight being 20/20 this was not a good idea

[deejd]

Hindsight being 20/20 this was not a good idea

What a show-off. Coach, stop hot doggin' and teach the kid how to box -- you know -- stationary, no head movement, 1-2-3-4's. He'll never have to pivot or roll in an actual fight. When will he need to measure his range against his adversary? This is a ludicrous form mitt work. All paddy-cake and flash, no substance. Who needs to counter in boxing anyway? Makes no sense at all.

[BarryRobinson]

What a show-off. Coach, stop hot doggin' and teach the kid how to box -- you know -- stationary, no head movement, 1-2-3-4's. He'll never have to pivot or roll in an actual fight. When will he need to measure his range against his adversary? This is a ludicrous form mitt work. All paddy-cake and flash, no substance. Who needs to counter in boxing anyway? Makes no sense at all.

Really, in retrospect this is the dumbest mitt work I have ever done. I'm done with this bs. Like you said 1,2,3,4 back to the basics

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Anybody else OD'd on the mitt threads? An interesting debate, just got silly and redundant.

I don't see the need to clutter the forum to get your point across.

[BarryRobinson]

Anybody else OD'd on the mitt threads? An interesting debate, just got silly and redundant.

I don't see the need to clutter the forum to get your point across.

i apologize. However I think it's great education for the younger trainers and fighters out there. I'm a little selfish too, I don't like when folks clutter peoples head with superstitions.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

It's all good.

I respect your views and opinions, and enjoy reading your post, along with a few knowledgeable posters on here.

I'm sure we can all agree, for something called the sweet science, there ain't no correct formula. Some will adapt new techniques, others will stick with what's tried and true. Both camps can make a legit argument over what approach works best.

It's educational when you or anyone else takes the time to break down exactly what we're watching or how to apply certain techniques. Your latest post seem a bit personal, and directed at others who don't care for your message or knowledge.

Bottom line, let it go. I think your time could be better spent teaching those who are interested in listening.

[deejd]

It's all good.

I respect your views and opinions, and enjoy reading your post, along with a few knowledgeable posters on here.

I'm sure we can all agree, for something called the sweet science, there ain't no correct formula. Some will adapt new techniques, others will stick with what's tried and true. Both camps can make a legit argument over what approach works best.

It's educational when you or anyone else takes the time to break down exactly what we're watching or how to apply certain techniques. Your latest post seem a bit personal, and directed at others who don't care for your message or knowledge.

Bottom line, let it go. I think your time could be better spent teaching those who are interested in listening.

Outstanding post, just make sure the greatest trainers of all time that post here don't post links to articles that troll in order to combat a genuine trainer's attempt to give legitimate advice.

That would certainly prevent the redundancy.

[TheAuthority]

Hindsight being 20/20 this was not a good idea

Why is he stood square on with his chin in the air ? Would it not be better to do the exact same drills / combinations but with the chin tucked and with a more angled upper body?

Why doesn't he rotate his hips / shoulders? Would it not be better to do the exact same drills but using proper rotation? At present, he is throwing and defending punches from unrealistic positions.

I genuinely don't understand why the exact same principles /drills could not be used but instead the boxer does things properly and the pad man doesn't move the pads into incoming punches?

[BarryRobinson]

Why is he stood square on with his chin in the air ? Would it not be better to do the exact same drills / combinations but with the chin tucked and with a more angled upper body?

Why doesn't he rotate his hips / shoulders? Would it not be better to do the exact same drills but using proper rotation? At present, he is throwing and defending punches from unrealistic positions.

I genuinely don't understand why the exact same principles /drills could not be used but instead the boxer does things properly and the pad man doesn't move the pads into incoming punches?

Literally 7 different people have explained to you including myself over 10 different post.

The problem is simple. You don't want new knowledge. "There is more to reading than word meets eye." You are All In on this debate with clearly a closed mind. I say again 7 different people including myself have explained to you. I refuse to appease you on this thread also.

You simply have poor study habits. That is not an insult, it's fact. You are not a good researcher, you have poor study habits, and worse you don't listen. Mainly because you don't want to. This is my last response to you.

I come on this thread to share my training that I have acquire through a lot of training, amateur fights, teaching, traveling, mentors, but most of all my willingness to sacrifice my personal life and more essentially have an open mind.

Take Care Authority. I hope you and a few other trainers here post. any type of training you do so I can break it down and analyze it instead of just talking. I posted intentionally 5 different styles of mitts 1 can do on the mitts with various students from Pro Athletes, Amateurs, Kids, and White Collar. When you can do the same, I will start entertaining you again. Until then Step Your Game Up Coach

[TheAuthority]

Literally 7 different people have explained to you including myself over 10 different post.

Wrong. No one has explained why the same principles / drills can not be applied using correct technique / power. For the record I don't believe full power needs to be used at all times but I certainly believe we should strive for perfect technique at all times.

I understand the aims of these pad sessions and I entirely agree with the philosophy but I don't agree with the application i.e. throwing unrealistic, tip tap punches with no rotation.

Does this type of pad work somehow become ineffective if proper technique and a bit of power is used?

The problem is simple. You don't want new knowledge. "There is more to reading than word meets eye." You are All In on this debate with clearly a closed mind. I say again 7 different people including myself have explained to you. I refuse to appease you on this thread also.

You simply have poor study habits. That is not an insult, it's fact. You are not a good researcher, you have poor study habits, and worse you don't listen. Mainly because you don't want to. This is my last response to you.

I come on this thread to share my training that I have acquire through a lot of training, amateur fights, teaching, traveling, mentors, but most of all my willingness to sacrifice my personal life and more essentially have an open mind.

Take Care Authority. I hope you and a few other trainers here post. any type of training you do so I can break it down and analyze it instead of just talking. I posted intentionally 5 different styles of mitts 1 can do on the mitts with various students from Pro Athletes, Amateurs, Kids, and White Collar. When you can do the same, I will start entertaining you again. Until then Step Your Game Up Coach

You refuse to "appease" me because you are unable to answer my questions in a logical way.

I am ALWAYS open to new ideas. I spend virtually all of my spare time studying fights, training styles, planning training sessions, designing / making / testing new training aids / equipment etc.

However, I always look at things critically and if I have no good reason to implement something my training sessions then I won't.

Educate me Barry - Seriously, I don't understand why using incorrect form and tip -tap punches is superior to using correct technique and a bit of power.