Reactive Mitts with a student (Showing Off)

[Live2box]

I agree entirely mate. I just think all these benefits would be developed more using better technique.

T/Authority
Yes I agree because most coaches use more precised drills by using correct full range punching techniques while keeping the chin down and hunching the back (stop/start). I guess the goal here is aim more at conditioning the boxer to throw every punches defensively, in case you get hit in the process. If so you are likely to be able to absorb it better because your chin is down, and your back is hunched therefore absorbs body shots better etc.

But I would use this (mitts style) if I'm happy with my boxers bio-mechanic form because it's fun and it's good for training variation to avoid boredom. Of course if you wanna go deeper, than you can go as far as setting up patterns with a sparring partner who is good at following instruction for light sparring purposes to assimilate a particular opponent..e.g. If an opponent habitually throws a combo of.... lets say, cross, hook to the head and then go downstairs and rip a liver hook 90% of the time..well you can set up repeatitious pattern drills with the sparring partner, (not just with the mitts style of pad work) and choreograph this punching habits on the inside then roll with the counter leads repeatedly on the inside which finish up with this particular combo (mentioned above), than restart back to the top without a break and do a number of reps before stopping for a break. etc. (just like they do with the mitts). But in saying this, I believe you can't use the same pattern (sparring or flashy repetitious mitts style) and expect it will work against all opponents because some don't even throw same leads, combos let alone that many punches. But I do believe it has it's own benefits.

[Live2box]

Perhaps each individuals are looking at this from a different perspective. Or perhaps focus on different benefits. I personally don't believe it's the only answer to mitts work, or how it should be done. But hey!! How can you tell Roger Mayweather he's wrong when Mayweather Jr is an unbeaten world champ..hahaha!! I know one thing for sure, it's feels great for my hand because it's less impact. Being an older trainer, it's great for my hands, elbows and joints because it's less painful during and after training..lol!

[frosty-g]

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But as long as it's only a supplements for the basic fundamental mitts, I don't have a problem with it. I even do something similar myself but not the same pattern as what I have seen.

You must still keep the other so call old school training I believe..lol!

i think you have some good points there, i don't fully agree but you know, that's not the issue, and yeah as a little bit of supplementary training if it makes you and your boxers feel good that's great but i do feel it should only be a small supplement - like taking a vitamin should be as a small part of a good healthy diet

[frosty-g]

Did you even watch the fight? Are you familiar with those two fighters?

How about Broner-PDL?

Do you know these guys? Have you watched these fights?

How about Cunningham-Adamek?

Whitaker-Nelson?

Jones-Hopkins I?

make as many responses as you please, you still haven't come close to making a point - all you're doing is making me believe more and more that you don't have one

[frosty-g]

Sorry to crash into your party guys. Excuse my ignorant, but what's your point Deejd (Solomon vs Wright)? I'm new in this chat room. I watched the fight and it was messy. Perhaps messy was an understatement! hahaha!! Soliman was doing everything the opposite from what everyone else doing..hahahaha! He slipped for no reasons from the distance, even when no punches thrown at him. And from what I remember he even he threw upper cut leads from long range..and catches Wright. Perhaps it's because it was the last thing Wright expected..hahaha! Indeed it upset Wright's rhythm big time..hahaha! Night mare and ugly fight to watch.

yeah that soliman looked like **** and lost heavily on the cards if i remember right (it was rather forgettable)

[Live2box]

Still Solimon made Wright looked bad throughout the fight. Perhaps Wright's management wish they didn't take the fight after looking like a million dollar against Felix Trinidad.

[frosty-g]

One thing I have noticed is that many good, experienced coaches have the same understanding that I have (more so on many occasions), however they have gained this knowledge without academic study - they have learned on the job through many years of experience.

Have you noticed this with any of the more experienced coaches you have worked with? For example, they probably wouldn't be able to verbalize why they are doing something or why it works, and they probably wouldn't be able to sit a written exam on the subject, but they know.

that's true for sure - it is a little problematic though, when you get something that is based upon experience and intuition (plus no doubt some words of wisdom from others) that can be great, and for some guys who are excellent in this (Angelo Dundee for example) they might not benefit from a deeper understanding of the principles.

HOWEVER, i don't know of many trainers of that calibre, and certainly not of many at all that couldn't do with a few ideas being straightened out or added to.

i CAN think of a hell of a lot of trainers that desperately DO need this additional input, and at the end of the day, all the best guys i ever heard speak (dundee, steward, ingle, various cubans, back in the day trainers i've read about etc etc) ALL state that they are learning every day - so picking up some new information, thinking it through and then maybe or maybe not implementing those ideas is a fact of life for a good trainer.

one of the good things about an academic approach (there are plenty of negatives also) is the fact of having to analyse the ideas and be able to express them in your own way, showing a deeper understanding. its similar to how a lot of top fighters make poor coaches - they know but they can't articulate.

not suggesting that anyone should become a psychologist or whatever, but kinda coming full circle to what you said about how having an understanding of a few basic principles - it can't hurt when sorting out the chaff when deciding on new methods, or making existing methods work better

[frosty-g]

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BTW, that was my post actually. But it's all good.

yeah true!
i just meant i don't fully agree with all the points you were making but that in the context i think they're all valid enough

[Live2box]

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i think you have some good points there, i don't fully agree but you know, that's not the issue, and yeah as a little bit of supplementary training if it makes you and your boxers feel good that's great but i do feel it should only be a small supplement - like taking a vitamin should be as a small part of a good healthy diet

To Frosty-G
Actually that was my post btw. But yeah I don't have a problem with your response. There is nothing wrong with making the boxers feel good about themself now and then. lol! All good.

[Live2box]

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To Frosty-G
Actually that was my post btw. But yeah I don't have a problem with your response. There is nothing wrong with making the boxers feel good about themself now and then. lol! All good.

One thing we should all agree on that what works for others does not necessary works for everyone else.