Reactive Mitts with a student (Showing Off)

[BarryRobinson]

For the record Barry, I'm not trying to troll here. I am genuinely seeking answers.

I have been a subscriber to your Youtube channel since the beginning when you had only 2 or 3 videos uploaded.

I am always looking for new methods of training and have got many ideas from your channel. I have tried, tested and / or adapted many of the techniques I have seen in your videos.

I did spend a couple of years learning this style of mitt work myself with an open mind. Simply out of curiosity.

I do use this Mayweather style pad work on occasions now. Virtually every guy at our club loves this style of mitt work so I don't mind giving them a couple of round now and again - training has to be enjoyable.

Refer to this thread. I posted several answers in a very Tongue-in-cheek thread titled "Vrgil Hunter should know better! Ward undefeated??".

Additionally I posted 4 other threads("Boxing Focus Mitt Training Routine anyone(Fighter/Trainer can do (Power Punches)", "Having fun with a youngster (7 years old) on the mitts", "On the Mitts with USA Boxing Olympian Super Heavyweight Dominic Breazeale", "Control Drills on the Mitts (Not Recommended for Amateurs anyone minus understanding))" to show that other types of mitt work are done but they were ignored im not surprised. A title like "Reactive Mitts with a student (Showing Off) " gets the attention.

"People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer. I guess that's just the theory of man."

There is a reason I don't go into depth explaining training methods, no one wants the truth. People ask question a lot of rhetorical questions.

[BarryRobinson]

that exercise with the mitts is not so much about punching but rather about training the eyes and the rhtyme of the slipping and counters aswell as stamina. as long as his pupil is turning his shots over and raising his elbow on the hooks there would really be nothing wrong with it. there is actually plenty to be gained from this excersise.........Rockin'

"Training the eyes and Rhythm" are too profound. Taboo here

Dumb it down bro

[TheAuthority]

"Training the eyes and Rhythm" are too profound for forums

Dumb it down bro

I understand this.

But why can't you train the eyes and rhythm using correct form and a bit of power? i.e. making it more realistic / reinforcing good habits !!!

For example doing the exact same session move for move, but the boxer uses correct form and a bit of power.

This is my only gripe.

I guarantee you will be unable to give me a reasonable answer.

[BarryRobinson]

I understand this.

But why can't you train the eyes and rhythm using correct form and a bit of power? i.e. making it more realistic / reinforcing good habits !!!

For example doing the exact same session move for move, but the boxer uses correct form and a bit of power.

This is my only gripe.

I guarantee you will be unable to give me a reasonable answer.

If a fighter is confident that they can throw a "hard" punch it's unnecessary to throw a hard punch every single time you punch in the gym or in a fight. That confidence comes from studying the "Why, How, and When." A lot of people sadly get stuck on the what... My little sister who knows nothing about boxing can see the "What". She can see hard punches on WorldStarHipHop Videos. A Martial Artist should know Why, How, and When the knock out/hard punch occurred.

JMM Has great technique on his punches which were drilled to him by great trainer Nacho Beristain. It wasn't a "Hard Punch" that knocked out manny Pacquiao. It was a gorgeous set up. Pick a gym, any gym and you can find a guy that can punch hard. Whether or not he can land the punch, knows when to throw it, how to set it up is a different story.

A Martial Artist sets up, probes etc. Confidence comes from knowing and drilling a technique and not being a dumb meathead. Once you know you can punch hard than you can move ahead to training things like the set up and your eyes etc.

"Good fighters capitalize on fighters mistakes, great fighters make you make mistakes. -Mike Mcallum

Now STFUP and step your game up. It's a shame you train kids. Your going to get someone hurt with your limited knowledge of striking and even worse your confident ignorance about your lack of knowledge. You have really illuminated your ******ity. I hope for your kids sake you take your head out of your *ss

[BarryRobinson]

I understand this.

But why can't you train the eyes and rhythm using correct form and a bit of power? i.e. making it more realistic / reinforcing good habits !!!

For example doing the exact same session move for move, but the boxer uses correct form and a bit of power.

This is my only gripe.

I guarantee you will be unable to give me a reasonable answer.

It's a Gotdamn shame that kids come on forums and enthusiast to learn something about the Martial Art Boxing and all "Veteran Trainers" can talk about is "Hard Punches"

This is a unique opportunity/forum to discuss boxing intelligently and have it seen just as technical as any other sport but no we want to disrespect, diminish, and dumb down the Art/Science by talking ignorant! I'm ticked off now, this is not MMA. This is a 12 round brutal sport that got greats like Muhammad Ali shaking everyday for the rest of his life and trainers want to discuss hard punching as if that's not already a matter of fact. ***** ridiculous already

[BarryRobinson]

I understand this.

But why can't you train the eyes and rhythm using correct form and a bit of power? i.e. making it more realistic / reinforcing good habits !!!

For example doing the exact same session move for move, but the boxer uses correct form and a bit of power.

This is my only gripe.

I guarantee you will be unable to give me a reasonable answer.

It's a Gotdamn shame that kids come on forums and enthusiast to learn something about the Martial Art Boxing and all "Veteran Trainers" can talk about is "Hard Punches"

This is a unique opportunity/forum to discuss boxing intelligently and have it seen just as technical as any other sport but no we want to disrespect, diminish, and dumb down the Art/Science by talking ignorant! I'm ticked off now, this is not MMA. This is a 12 round brutal sport that got greats like Muhammad Ali shaking everyday for the rest of his life and trainers want to discuss hard punching as if that's not already a matter of fact. ***** ridiculous already

[deejd]

If a fighter is confident that they can throw a "hard" punch it's unnecessary to throw a hard punch every single time you punch in the gym or in a fight. That confidence comes from studying the "Why, How, and When." A lot of people sadly get stuck on the what... My little sister who knows nothing about boxing can see the "What". She can see hard punches on WorldStarHipHop Videos. A Martial Artist should know Why, How, and When the knock out/hard punch occurred.

JMM Has great technique on his punches which were drilled to him by great trainer Nacho Beristain. It wasn't a "Hard Punch" that knocked out manny Pacquiao. It was a gorgeous set up. Pick a gym, any gym and you can find a guy that can punch hard. Whether or not he can land the punch, knows when to throw it, how to set it up is a different story.

A Martial Artist sets up, probes etc. Confidence comes from knowing and drilling a technique and not being a dumb meathead. Once you know you can punch hard than you can move ahead to training things like the set up and your eyes etc.

"Good fighters capitalize on fighters mistakes, great fighters make you make mistakes. -Mike Mcallum

Now STFUP and step your game up. It's a shame you train kids. Your going to get someone hurt with your limited knowledge of striking and even worse your confident ignorance about your lack of knowledge. You have really illuminated your ******ity. I hope for your kids sake you take your head out of your *ss

Preach! Kid isn't ready for that, it's too much to comprehend.

[deejd]

It's a Gotdamn shame that kids come on forums and enthusiast to learn something about the Martial Art Boxing and all "Veteran Trainers" can talk about is "Hard Punches"

This is a unique opportunity/forum to discuss boxing intelligently and have it seen just as technical as any other sport but no we want to disrespect, diminish, and dumb down the Art/Science by talking ignorant! I'm ticked off now, this is not MMA. This is a 12 round brutal sport that got greats like Muhammad Ali shaking everyday for the rest of his life and trainers want to discuss hard punching as if that's not already a matter of fact. ***** ridiculous already

It's sad, man. You'd think these guys judged the Cunningham fight this past weekend.

[Locche]

JMM Has great technique on his punches which were drilled to him by great trainer Nacho Beristain. It wasn't a "Hard Punch" that knocked out manny Pacquiao. It was a gorgeous set up.

Timing. Like the way in bat and ball sports the guy with better timing hits the ball further than the slogger.

[TheAuthority]

If a fighter is confident that they can throw a "hard" punch it's unnecessary to throw a hard punch every single time you punch in the gym or in a fight. That confidence comes from studying the "Why, How, and When." A lot of people sadly get stuck on the what... My little sister who knows nothing about boxing can see the "What". She can see hard punches on WorldStarHipHop Videos. A Martial Artist should know Why, How, and When the knock out/hard punch occurred.

JMM Has great technique on his punches which were drilled to him by great trainer Nacho Beristain. It wasn't a "Hard Punch" that knocked out manny Pacquiao. It was a gorgeous set up. Pick a gym, any gym and you can find a guy that can punch hard. Whether or not he can land the punch, knows when to throw it, how to set it up is a different story.

A Martial Artist sets up, probes etc. Confidence comes from knowing and drilling a technique and not being a dumb meathead. Once you know you can punch hard than you can move ahead to training things like the set up and your eyes etc.

"Good fighters capitalize on fighters mistakes, great fighters make you make mistakes. -Mike Mcallum

Barry,

The above answer my questions regarding power, however I have already said in previous posts that it not necessary to to throw with full power at all times.

What about technique?
For me, the main issue with this type of pad work is technique (although I still maintain that on most occasions we should use some power for various reasons).

How can practicing with incorrect technique lead to greater benefits that using correct technique, particularly regarding relatively inexperienced boxers?

I suspect you have a limited understand skill acquisition and of the neuroscience of learning / memory i.e. the physiological changes that take place at and around synapses within neuronal networks as a result of repeated practice.

If you did, you would understand why doing things incorrectly is counter-productive for a novice boxer and not so detrimental to someone who is more experienced (i.e. Floyd Mayweather).

It seems it is you who needs to "step up your game".

For me to explain to you why you are wrong, in a way that you can understand, you will need a basic understanding of the neuroscience of learning and memory.

If you genuinely want educate yourself on this you need to understand what is meant by the following:

Synaptic plasticity, long-term potentiation, long-term depression, Hebbian Theory etc.

Now STFUP and step your game up. It's a shame you train kids. Your going to get someone hurt with your limited knowledge of striking and even worse your confident ignorance about your lack of knowledge. You have really illuminated your ******ity. I hope for your kids sake you take your head out of your *ss

I can see you are frustrated with your inability to defend your position with zero evidence, and without a sound logical basis. Hence the personal attacks.