Creatine ??

[Spartacus Sully]

this is what you said



In order to maintain your weight, to recover from exercise, to perform exercise, you need to eat food. Protein, Carbohydrates, Fats, Water.

The moment you slack on your eating habits your performance takes a plunge, just like with creatine use.

So really, I don't see the difference

ok then ill stop eating creatine and you stop eating food and lets see who still successfully improves their performance, if creatine and food were analogous then we should both be able to improve our performance.

[Darkstranger]

I'm not a fan of any product that requires you to continually take it to maintain the performance you've gained whilst using it.

Expect a drop off in performance, strength or appearance of your physique when and if you do stop taking it.......and if you continue using it, hell its expensive over a calendar year.

I'm a great believer in natural training, natural foods and a good diet. Creatine will improve your performance taken in the correct doses, with the correct hydration and with a good exercise program.....but do you really want to feel that your gains are largely down to your creatine? And that when you stop taking it you will notice a dip? If you train really hard you'll feel much prouder of your fitness if you do it without creatine.

Its the closest thing to legal steroids for me. This might anger some, I'm more leanient when it comes to professional athletes using it.....as they can be expected to ride the system to the last legal millisecond. But for the average amateur/gym user or fitness enthusiast I'm not a fan.

Creatine is a natural substance found in food. It helps you recover slightly quicker than normal but it's nowhere near what steroids can do.
Steroids and creatine shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Creatine is natural, steroids are artificial. That's why steroids are banned and creatine isn't.

Creatine is not cheating.

[sugarrob2]

Creatine is a natural substance found in food. It helps you recover slightly quicker than normal but it's nowhere near what steroids can do.
Steroids and creatine shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Creatine is natural, steroids are artificial. That's why steroids are banned and creatine isn't.

Creatine is not cheating.

Thing is to get your creatine out of food you need to eat a hell of a load of beef I think (bodybuilders etc) .It's good and working for me .I've bombed up on it and it's helping alot with strength and fitness for boxing training .

[Sugarj]

Creatine is a natural substance found in food. It helps you recover slightly quicker than normal but it's nowhere near what steroids can do.
Steroids and creatine shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Creatine is natural, steroids are artificial. That's why steroids are banned and creatine isn't.

Creatine is not cheating.

I've never said creatine is cheating. My paragraph 4 makes this perfectly clear.

The creatine that you buy is complicatedly manufactured to becoming the product you buy. True, it is found in small quan****** in steak for example. The extraction process makes it very unnatural. It would take quite a number of steaks to make up the creatine that bodybuilders take sometimes daily.

I agree that anabolic steroids are far worse, but I've seen the quick results from creatine lead to gym users going that route. I'd say that creatine makes more than a 'slight' difference.

Each unto their own, I'm not judging.....but I'll never recommend it.


I'll leave you with a little analogy:

2 athletes both preparing for a 10K run. One has taken creatine for the last three months, the other just natural food. Both can run it in identical speeds at present.

Now, lock both in a house with only natural food present for one month. Who wins the race? Most likely the one who didn't take creatine in the lead up.

[sugarrob2]

I've never said creatine is cheating. My paragraph 4 makes this perfectly clear.

The creatine that you buy is complicatedly manufactured to becoming the product you by. True, it is found in small quan****** in steak for example. The extraction process makes it very unnatural. It would take quite a number of steaks to make up the creatine that bodybuilders take sometimes daily.

I agree that anabolic steroids are far worse, but I've seen the quick results from creatine lead to gym users going that route. I'd say that creatine makes more than a 'slight' difference.


Each unto their own, I'm not judging.....but I'll never recommend it.


I'll leave you with a little analogy:

2 athletes both preparing for a 10K run. One has taken creatine for the last three months, the other just natural food. Both can run it in identical speeds at present.

Now, lock both in a house with only natural food present for one month. Who wins the race? Most likely the one who didn't take creatine in the lead up.

What happens if the guy on creatine is on natural foods as well .He wins the race.

[Sugarj]

What happens if the guy on creatine is on natural foods as well .He wins the race.

No, they both can only eat natural foods in the final month before the race.

The point is that the performance edge that creatine gives dissipates when the user stops taking it. This emphasises that the 'natural' athlete is actually 'naturally' fitter. The creatine user would need to keep his uptake to match or beat the natural athlete.

Its no big deal, I'm not making a song and dance about it. Creatine is legal and if I were a professional athlete I probably would take it too, if only because it would be my duty to push every last millisecond out my body legally in representing for example my country. I just think it offers an expensive performance advantage that I dont feel is natural.

[Darkstranger]

No, they both can only eat natural foods in the final month before the race.

The point is that the performance edge that creatine gives dissipates when the user stops taking it. This emphasises that the 'natural' athlete is actually 'naturally' fitter. The creatine user would need to keep his uptake to match or beat the natural athlete.

Its no big deal, I'm not making a song and dance about it. Creatine is legal and if I were a professional athlete I probably would take it too, if only because it would be my duty to push every last millisecond out my body legally in representing for example my country. I just think it offers an expensive performance advantage that I dont feel is natural.

I hear what your saying mate. Creatine isn't expensive though and is actually quite good value for money. My 1kg/2.2lb bag cost me £7.99 which approx $5. On 10g a day, it lasts for ages.

Creatine improved my bench and standing overhead press, but I actually squatted 500lbs before I introduced creatine. I take it because it helps me recover in time for my next gruelling training session, but if my daily calorie consumption was insufficient, the creatine wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

The same actually goes for guys who juice. If their diet and training isn't on point and they haven't got the genetics , the steroids won't do much for them.

My reference to cheating wasn't aimed at you by the way mate.

[Sugarj]

I hear what your saying mate. Creatine isn't expensive though and is actually quite good value for money. My 1kg/2.2lb bag cost me £7.99 which approx $5. On 10g a day, it lasts for ages.

Creatine improved my bench and standing overhead press, but I actually squatted 500lbs before I introduced creatine. I take it because it helps me recover in time for my next gruelling training session, but if my daily calorie consumption was insufficient, the creatine wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

The same actually goes for guys who juice. If their diet and training isn't on point and they haven't got the genetics , the steroids won't do much for them.

My reference to cheating wasn't aimed at you by the way mate.

Cheers bud, never a hard feeling. Yep £7.99 is less expensive than I'm used to seeing, some of the premium brands are shocking though.

You are absolutely right about steroids too, I've seen some training buddies become more ripped than Bruce Lee, others just become waterlogged flabsters. Not my cup of tea! Ha ha

[Clegg]

I hear what your saying mate. Creatine isn't expensive though and is actually quite good value for money. My 1kg/2.2lb bag cost me £7.99 which approx $5. On 10g a day, it lasts for ages.

Creatine improved my bench and standing overhead press, but I actually squatted 500lbs before I introduced creatine. I take it because it helps me recover in time for my next gruelling training session, but if my daily calorie consumption was insufficient, the creatine wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.

The same actually goes for guys who juice. If their diet and training isn't on point and they haven't got the genetics , the steroids won't do much for them.

My reference to cheating wasn't aimed at you by the way mate.

Have you noticed any negative effects from it? I've heard some say that it causes water retention, leading to a softer/less defined look? How is your endurance on it?

[Banderivets]

Have you noticed any negative effects from it? I've heard some say that it causes water retention, leading to a softer/less defined look? How is your endurance on it?

Depends on the creatine. I tried tricreatine malate and I think it doesnt retain water. Here are reasons why. When I go off it I dont drop in weight. And I just dont look bloated. But I might be tripping out...

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Guys who are against creatine, I wonder why. Lets say someone suppliments with it for a while, where is the harm? It helps you recover quicker and work more. In the time you were using it, you got stronger. That strength doesnt go away when you stop using it. You already built that muscle up. It's not like creatine is an energy drink.

Sure you might not have the same amount of energy, but your muscle doesnt suddenly disappear because you stopped using it.