Creatine ??

[Jack3d]

We need water and food to survive regardless of whether we take creatine.

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I'm not a fan of any product that requires you to continually take it to maintain the performance you've gained whilst using it.

In order to maintain your weight, to recover from exercise, to perform exercise, you need to eat food. Protein, Carbohydrates, Fats, Water.

The moment you slack on your eating habits your performance takes a plunge, just like with creatine use.

So really, I don't see the difference

[josh-hill]

also it can be risky and mess up your kidneys or liver. cant remember which. one of them. i think drinking LOADS of water helps.

[Sugarj]

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In order to maintain your weight, to recover from exercise, to perform exercise, you need to eat food. Protein, Carbohydrates, Fats, Water.

The moment you slack on your eating habits your performance takes a plunge, just like with creatine use.

So really, I don't see the difference

Fair enough, I'm not on a moral high horse. I've trained alongside many friends who have taken creatine since the 90s when it seemed to become popular and I only share my views when its asked of me.

I've seen the benefits, advantages and disadvantages of creatine use. I've seen youngsters quit training because they couldn't afford to keep buying creatine and they became disillusioned with their resulting dip in performance. I've also seem gym guys treat the 'quick results' from creatine as a stepping stone to taking anabolic steriods for the next 'quick result' stage, when their performance increases start to stagnate.

Creatine really does help to a level above that of a good diet and because of that......and its complicated extraction and manufacture, it just comes across to me as an artificial performance enhancer. It does work in the correct doses, no doubt.

In my own training I'm forever setting goals, trying to lift more, run faster track times, punch harder. I'm well aware that were I to start taking creatine then these goals would be achieved easier and quicker..............and that when I were to stop taking creatine my performance would dip. That puts emphasis on the product and not the athlete. I'm convinced that the athlete who puts the work in naturally to attain their goals will be more rewarded than the 'quick result' creatine subscribers.

A good diet is natural and very inexpensive in comparison, I dont liken the guy who chooses to eat rubbish and loses performance to the guy who genuinely cant afford to buy creatine and loses performance.

I'm not judging creatine users, I just wouldn't recommend it.

[F l i c k e r]

creatine is fine to use if you know your goals.

Everyone that I have seen comment about creatine on Boxing scene talks about how it makes your gain mass.

Well...... if you don't want to gain mass, don't train to gain mass. Ie: Lift heavy weights and/or heavy things.


But anyways, from personal experience. Creatine is legit. When I did use it, I would go on forever and ever without muscle fatigue. Never put on mass or got bulky. Also, depending on which type/brand of creatine you use, you may or may not hold water weight. I used MRI's CE2 which kept you from holding excess water.

[Sugarj]

creatine is fine to use if you know your goals.

Everyone that I have seen comment about creatine on Boxing scene talks about how it makes your gain mass.

Well...... if you don't want to gain mass, don't train to gain mass. Ie: Lift heavy weights and/or heavy things.


But anyways, from personal experience. Creatine is legit. When I did use it, I would go on forever and ever without muscle fatigue. Never put on mass or got bulky. Also, depending on which type/brand of creatine you use, you may or may not hold water weight. I used MRI's CE2 which kept you from holding excess water.

And when you stopped using it......let me guess, you got fatigued again?

Compare that to the guy that got to that level of fitness without creatine, now that person will be more likely to maintain their performance with pride, not the next creatine purchase.

[Jack3d]

And when you stopped using it......let me guess, you got fatigued again?

Compare that to the guy that got to that level of fitness without creatine, now that person will be more likely to maintain their performance with pride, not the next creatine purchase.

But what about the guy who's performance and fitness level can't be maintained anymore because he can't afford to buy 6 dozen egg cartons, 2-3 packages of Chicken Breast, Brown Rice, 3 gallons of Milk, organic meats and produce and 16 cans of tuna every week?

Your performance taking a dip because you stopped using creatine and your performance taking a dip because you can't afford the food necessary to sustain it... there is no difference

[Jack3d]

also it can be risky and mess up your kidneys or liver. cant remember which. one of them. i think drinking LOADS of water helps.

The kidney thing is a myth. The recommended dosage (5g/day) of Creatine Mono (the only proven effective form of Creatine) is all you need.

You would need to take huge amounts daily for a sustained period of time to experience anything close to that.

[Sugarj]

But what about the guy who's performance and fitness level can't be maintained anymore because he can't afford to buy 6 dozen egg cartons, 2-3 packages of Chicken Breast, Brown Rice, 3 gallons of Milk, organic meats and produce and 16 cans of tuna every week?

Your performance taking a dip because you stopped using creatine and your performance taking a dip because you can't afford the food necessary to sustain it... there is no difference

No, because the listing and quantity of food you've specified 'every week' would support the much larger bodybuilding/heavyweight type of guy. Not the average athlete. '6 dozen egg cartons' a week! Hee hee.

Remember creatine is a suppliment to a diet that is already expected to be complete and (certainly in the bodybuilding sense, protein rich). Creatine is not a food substitute! You still need to eat well also!

The guy that would need to buy that list would need a substantial amount of food in addition to the creatine regardless!

[SBleeder]

I don't care if others use it, it's not an illegal substance. I just know that if I were to use it, I'd feel like a cheating scumbag every time I stepped in the ring.

[bcfc]

i have a **** load of it at home, i get it free with my protein shake, never used it. abit too tried and tested for me. im old fasioned