**NEWSFLASH** IT DOEs WORK.

[dfwtx]

I eat every 15 minutes and I've put on 3 stone since the start of the year.

I feel your pain! I try to keep a burger infront of me basically all through the day and set my alarm clock at certain points in the night to eat more but I'm still gaining weight! These diets don't work!!!

[PunchDrunk]

You are telling me to Do Research when you should be the one doing research...

here is a study about people on low carb diets and high calories and still losing more weight then the placebo... I wouldnt suggest using atkins if you are an athlete but I would do low carb days if you are trying to lose weight before a fight...I usually take most of my carbs early in the morning for energy like wheat and oats, and then post workout ill take my fast digesting carbs to replenish with my protein shake then limit my carbs after that. I was able to cut weight with intense training for my wrestling

High calories? They're on 1500 for women, 1800 for men, and a group of plus 300 calorie diets . That is not a lot. First of all, these are dieters, the higher calorie group lost 20 pounds, meaning they're fat. What they've proved, is that you can eat too little, so that your metabolism slows down, and prevents you from losing weight, if you fat, or a t least normal weight, and on a diet. Boxers trying to get to their weight class are not normal weight!


My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.

[Lenny McLean]

It does work if you understand it properley which some of the people who think it does not work clearly do not! They usually tend to think 6 meals a day means stuffing their face. You are simply eating the same amount of food you are on now but spreading it to trick your metabolism into speeding up. You can cut calories and binge once a day and you will find that you put weight on as your body thinks it is starving and needs to conserve energy. Remember spread the same amount of food you normally have! It works even for people who are not so dedicated like me as I am on an extreme poleolithic type diet. I've seen this work on some people who even eat JUNK, but took the tip of spreading it and got ripped. No lie!

[Domain]

High calories? They're on 1500 for women, 1800 for men, and a group of plus 300 calorie diets . That is not a lot. First of all, these are dieters, the higher calorie group lost 20 pounds, meaning they're fat. What they've proved, is that you can eat too little, so that your metabolism slows down, and prevents you from losing weight, if you fat, or a t least normal weight, and on a diet. Boxers trying to get to their weight class are not normal weight!


My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.

diet starts prior to getting into training camp...boxers who try to kill themselves to make weight are unprofessional to begin with. You can get to a healthy weight by eating small meals witht he same caloric intake if the intesity of training is up to par.

I have no idea why you are arguing?

its like you have way to much pride no one is trying PWN anyone here ok...we are just helping each other out.

You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.

if you want to cut down to a healthy weight for boxing or wrestling it can be done...but you really made that silly comment about DA1 cutting down to featherweight lol wtf he would be dead that is not a healthy weight for the size and body composition for him...bone density and build and other factors.

But he is already cutting down to a healthy weight for him not a somalian weight or holocaust weight.

My friend cut from 195 to 168 pounds which is a healthy weight for him he had more body fat before the cut and he did that in 2 months time. he cut 5-8 pounds water weight though like the usual before a fight. He came to the fight with 6 percent body fat.

He got a nutritionist who helped him with his 6 to 8 meals a day schedule and cutting out sugars and unhealthy foods.

A unhealthy oldschool weigh of cutting is Chris Byrd recently and he almost died...he even admitted he didn't know that guys can cut weight by eating 6 to 8 meals and eating often every 3 hours.

He almost died trying to crash diet to 175 the wrong way he could of damaged his nervous system.

[Robot16]

Good thread, what are some good snack foods to eat?
I know of tuna and fruits, but what type of nuts? Peanuts, almonds?

[Lenny McLean]

Good thread, what are some good snack foods to eat?
I know of tuna and fruits, but what type of nuts? Peanuts, almonds?

Whichever one's you like. if it is natural, then it is good for you! Fruit tastes so good and as long as you have a variety fo your faves you are ok. One mistake people make when thinking aboiut eating greens is they think they have to have stuff they don't like too. Not true. I just have my faves over and over again: bananas like Floyd, mangoes, red g****s, melons, dates, cauliflower, sweet pumpkin, sweet and crunchy salad bags, garden peas, baby carrots and swede. If I don't like brocolli I don't give a **** how good it is for me, I'm not going to eat it! Eat as many different things from the stuff you like! ENJOY.

[Darkstranger]

It's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.

Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.

If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.

[Lenny McLean]

It's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.

Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.

If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.

We've all been trying to tell him the same thing but he won't listen. He is righteous indignant person and just can't be wrong and as a result will never accept another viewpoint until he has undergone a whole process of changing sides. I use to be like that but found it to be useless, especially when it came to the ring. Better to be pragmatic and use what works for you. **** the theories, do what works.

[PunchDrunk]

Listen guys, I'm not saying 3 meals a day is better than 6 meals a day. I'm saying that 6 meals a day is not a magic weight loss trick that will get you to any weight you want. It'll work untill a certain point, but ultimately, you're gonna have to restrict the amount of calories you take in if you want (or in the case of a top fighter, need) to get lower.

diet starts prior to getting into training camp...boxers who try to kill themselves to make weight are unprofessional to begin with. You can get to a healthy weight by eating small meals witht he same caloric intake if the intesity of training is up to par.

I have no idea why you are arguing?

So now you get to decide when dieting begins? My fighters don't start diet before training camp, so that claim's out the window. You're also starting to concede to my point, because now you're talking about healthy weight as opposed to "somalian" weight. I've been saying the same thing all along; you can lose weight eating often to a certain point. Pro***e is, most fighters fight well beyond that point (and have great success doing so, I might add).

You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.

Domain, you haven't shown me anything regarding my point. Yes, fat people can shed weight if they eat more often(I've never claimed otherwise). Yes, DA1 shed weight when he started to eat more often (he's still at 174 though, so he hasn't shown me anything either), and the question is whether he should be fighting lower than 165. BUT there is a limit to how low you can go, using this method alone, which you clearly admit when you start talking about training intensity. Why? Because that means you acknowledge the calories in vs. calories out factor. Manipulating that factor by doing more intense training is just another way of doing the same thing as restricting your intake; taking in less calories than you spend. You try to dodge that bullet by spending more calories than you take in. Same thing, different method.

[Trrmo]

This is getting painful but I will try to explain.

Through keeping charts of what of eat I worked out my my Base Rate Metabolism (BMR)- overall calories I eat in a day to not gain or lose weight with a relatively constant rate of exercise. It works out to be about 2300 calories. When I up this I gain weight, lower it lose weight.

Normally I eat about 4-5 meals a day. Lets say for example I eat two large supreme pizzas a day, and the the total of calories is 4000. I will gain weight because I am eating 1700 calories over my BMR.

Okay lets talk about timing, I eat my pizza in three settings, morning, lunch and dinner. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.

What happens when I eat the same amount of pizza over 6 settings, 7am, 11am, 2pm, 5pm, 8pm, 10pm. I am still eating 1700 calories over. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.

Do I gain significantly less weight because I ate over 6 meals instead of 3? (and this is what I believe you are trying to argue) probably no, why? because I am still eating alot more calories than I burn.

So what would make a bigger difference? eat less calories, eat less pìzza!!. Like I said before calories in versus calories out is more important than timing for weight loss/gain.

I am no arguing timing makes NO difference, just not as big a difference as overall cals!