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Originally posted by Domain View PostYou are telling me to Do Research when you should be the one doing research...
here is a study about people on low carb diets and high calories and still losing more weight then the placebo... I wouldnt suggest using atkins if you are an athlete but I would do low carb days if you are trying to lose weight before a fight...I usually take most of my carbs early in the morning for energy like wheat and oats, and then post workout ill take my fast digesting carbs to replenish with my protein shake then limit my carbs after that. I was able to cut weight with intense training for my wrestling
My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.Last edited by PunchDrunk; 08-20-2008, 12:10 AM.
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It does work if you understand it properley which some of the people who think it does not work clearly do not! They usually tend to think 6 meals a day means stuffing their face. You are simply eating the same amount of food you are on now but spreading it to trick your metabolism into speeding up. You can cut calories and binge once a day and you will find that you put weight on as your body thinks it is starving and needs to conserve energy. Remember spread the same amount of food you normally have! It works even for people who are not so dedicated like me as I am on an extreme poleolithic type diet. I've seen this work on some people who even eat JUNK, but took the tip of spreading it and got ripped. No lie!
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Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostHigh calories? They're on 1500 for women, 1800 for men, and a group of plus 300 calorie diets . That is not a lot. First of all, these are dieters, the higher calorie group lost 20 pounds, meaning they're fat. What they've proved, is that you can eat too little, so that your metabolism slows down, and prevents you from losing weight, if you fat, or a t least normal weight, and on a diet. Boxers trying to get to their weight class are not normal weight!
My point is, that this will not work endlessly. If they tried this on a bunch of boxers trying to get to their fighting weight, they'd fail at the scales.
I have no idea why you are arguing?
its like you have way to much pride no one is trying PWN anyone here ok...we are just helping each other out.
You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.
if you want to cut down to a healthy weight for boxing or wrestling it can be done...but you really made that silly comment about DA1 cutting down to featherweight lol wtf he would be dead that is not a healthy weight for the size and body composition for him...bone density and build and other factors.
But he is already cutting down to a healthy weight for him not a somalian weight or holocaust weight.
My friend cut from 195 to 168 pounds which is a healthy weight for him he had more body fat before the cut and he did that in 2 months time. he cut 5-8 pounds water weight though like the usual before a fight. He came to the fight with 6 percent body fat.
He got a nutritionist who helped him with his 6 to 8 meals a day schedule and cutting out sugars and unhealthy foods.
A unhealthy oldschool weigh of cutting is Chris Byrd recently and he almost died...he even admitted he didn't know that guys can cut weight by eating 6 to 8 meals and eating often every 3 hours.
He almost died trying to crash diet to 175 the wrong way he could of damaged his nervous system.Last edited by Domain; 08-20-2008, 12:31 AM.
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Originally posted by Robot16 View PostGood thread, what are some good snack foods to eat?
I know of tuna and fruits, but what type of nuts? Peanuts, almonds?
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It's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.
Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.
If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.
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Originally posted by Darkstranger View PostIt's quite interesting reading the debate between Punch and Domain.
Just to clarify, when people talk about 6-8 meals a day, they're talking about small meals. Just because you eat regularly throughout the day it doesn't mean you're consuming more calories than you burn.
If your weight loss begins to plateau, you reduce the amount of calories per meal and see how your body responds.
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Listen guys, I'm not saying 3 meals a day is better than 6 meals a day. I'm saying that 6 meals a day is not a magic weight loss trick that will get you to any weight you want. It'll work untill a certain point, but ultimately, you're gonna have to restrict the amount of calories you take in if you want (or in the case of a top fighter, need) to get lower.
diet starts prior to getting into training camp...boxers who try to kill themselves to make weight are unprofessional to begin with. You can get to a healthy weight by eating small meals witht he same caloric intake if the intesity of training is up to par.
I have no idea why you are arguing?
You are still sticking to what youa re saying even after I show you and explain to you how it can be down, even DA1 showed it.Last edited by PunchDrunk; 08-20-2008, 04:30 AM.
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This is getting painful but I will try to explain.
Through keeping charts of what of eat I worked out my my Base Rate Metabolism (BMR)- overall calories I eat in a day to not gain or lose weight with a relatively constant rate of exercise. It works out to be about 2300 calories. When I up this I gain weight, lower it lose weight.
Normally I eat about 4-5 meals a day. Lets say for example I eat two large supreme pizzas a day, and the the total of calories is 4000. I will gain weight because I am eating 1700 calories over my BMR.
Okay lets talk about timing, I eat my pizza in three settings, morning, lunch and dinner. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.
What happens when I eat the same amount of pizza over 6 settings, 7am, 11am, 2pm, 5pm, 8pm, 10pm. I am still eating 1700 calories over. What happens? I gain weight because I am taking more calories in than I burn.
Do I gain significantly less weight because I ate over 6 meals instead of 3? (and this is what I believe you are trying to argue) probably no, why? because I am still eating alot more calories than I burn.
So what would make a bigger difference? eat less calories, eat less pìzza!!. Like I said before calories in versus calories out is more important than timing for weight loss/gain.
I am no arguing timing makes NO difference, just not as big a difference as overall cals!Last edited by Trrmo; 08-20-2008, 05:21 AM.
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