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[JasonB]

All you've established so far is that he has good genetics, and that he is stronger than you. Well, his training program must be perfect then! Think about the following quote:

Whether one performs one set or 100 sets, the issue of volume is a negative; insofar that one performs any sets at all, even one, such as a negative influence for the more sets that one performs the greater the inroad into his limited reserve of physical resources, or recovery ability. Now, to understand inroad, think of it as the term clearly suggest -- an "in" into the road, or - a hole being dug into your body's limited resources. In other words, you perform one set you dig a small hole, a second set and the hole gets deeper, a third set and the hole becomes even deeper, a fourth set deeper still, and so on. That is a 'negative' phenomenon, for the deeper that hole gets the more of your body's resources have to be used - or wasted! - afterward merely in the attempt to fill the hole, which is what recovery is, leaving much less left over, or available, for building the mountain on top, i.e., the muscle. Of course, one must perform at least one set to have a workout. Ideally, one would stimulate growth with zero sets; that way none of the body's resources would be wasted on recovery; they'd all be utilized for growth production; and the individual would grow so fast it would be incredible. But, I must say, at this point in time, I haven't yet figured out how to stimulate growth with zero sets.

The same applies inversely for time spent recovering...you're not giving the hole chance to fill up. Though, if you want to argue with a 6 time Mr.Olympia, then ok.

[dario]

All you've established so far is that he has good genetics, and that he is stronger than you. Well, his training program must be perfect then! Think about the following quote:

The same applies inversely for time spent recovering...you're not giving the hole chance to fill up. Though, if you want to argue with a 6 time Mr.Olympia, then ok.

I think all that olympia and "the right way to work out" is all bull****. If you push yourself, you can adjust your body to be like a beast. It will take a lot of time and discipline, but a lot of people can do it, some better and quicker than others. Sure genetics plays a big role, but I mean the guy is Asian... how many big Asians do you see? Most Asians I know are toothpicks. Muscle memory plays the biggest role in this scheme; your body memorizes what it did and why it failed, then it just builds up so you can perform better the next time you come in the gym. If you start training longer and longer, your body will gradually build up to give you more endurance to work out longer the next time you come in the gym. I'm sure it will a double digit amount of months, but anything is possible if you set yourself. And plus, bodybuilding is different from just brute strength. This guy is not cut at all, he's just a big buff dood walking around. Just think about it, if you adjust your whole life into eating, sleeping, and training like a beast, it will gradually happen. While most people can do it, most of us have a life, i.e. school, work, family, friends, fattening foods, paying the mortgage, and etc; so we don't have time to do all that ****. This guy still lives with his parents, doesn't have a car, he's not the social type of guy, and lives just down the street from the gym.. so you know he has the time to train forever.

And then again everyone is different in genetics, metabolism, culture, family, time, money, discipline, and etc. You can follow the "safe" way to work out, or you can push your body to the limits every time. It also depends what's offered on your plate; do you have the money, discipline, time, and desire to develop a beastly body?

[JasonB]

I've got to say, your belief in your ignorance impresses me.

You can't get your body used to overtraining. If you can point me to one article or proof of such a thing, I will eat my hat.

http://www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Overtraining.html

"If overtraining occurs, there is not sufficient recovery time between workouts; progress is hampered. Overtraining is often thought of as absolute, or a black and white phenomenon. Overtraining should be viewed as a continuum, or in shades of gray. An exerciser or athlete may be slightly overtrained and make progress, just not as much as if they were not overtrained."

Fancy that, just what I said.

I guess you don't get MensHealth over there, but theres actually an article in here about the overtraining that Gerard Butler (the main actor in the new film "300") experienced. Look at him, he's a beast, but that doesn't mean he's not overtrained.

Some things have limits, and recovery time is one of them. No-one can honestly do a full, intense workout and fully recover in 1 or 2 days.

A 1990s study showed that the forearm muscles take six weeks to fully recover from a superheavy, negative-only weight workout; since the forearms are a resilient muscle group, this would indirectly confirm the experience of some trainers, that it is theoretically possible to train the major muscle groups with extremely heavy weights only once every twelve weeks (Iron Man Magazine, 4/1995).

Also, your idea of "Muscle memory" is off. Muscle memory is 1 of 2 things...the body remembering how to do specific movements (which is why we don't have to think like hell to walk, even though it involves alot of well timed movements), and the way the body can get back to a state it's been before after a prolonged period of missed training easier than it got there in the first place.

For this asian guy to have gotten big, he must have been doing exercises in the hypertrophy range, which is lower reps (6-8). This isn't me talking, this is scientists.

I love how it isn't even you that you're talking about, yet you know everything about the way this guy feels and how his muscles are coping to such an extent that you will argue it against studies conducted by experts in the field.

Anyway, this is just starting to be a 1 on 1 debate and wasting space on this forum, if you want to talk any more about it, PM me

[dario]

It isn't me that I'm talking about because I don't have time to work out four hours a day. If I did, trust me I'd build it up to there. And would you call 150 minutes a work out overtraining? Because I work out that long everyday and I just keep on getting stronger and bigger. My friend, before he started pitching year round, told me he got his biggest gains when he worked out for 2 hours plus at the gym over the summer when he had the time to. It's not like you raech the level of overtrainning at a set time every work out. As long as you don't overtrain and reach your max everyday, it will benefit you. If you believe all that **** that they write then so be it, but I believe what I see with my own eyes than what some bull**** scientist say. And of course they aren't going to say, you can build your body to train 4 hours a day. Why you ask? Becuase some dumbass will read and it will try to make a huge jump in his work out time, and something very bad will happen.

This thread is just going to keep on going on between us two whoring it so I'm just going to express my last opinion.

Street Results > Lab Results

Take it easy bro.

[pelonxsoldier28]

I'm On Creatine From Celltech And It's Gotten Me To Where I Need To Be. I Also Take Hydroxycut And Bccb For My Amino Acid. I Eat Alot Of Protien. Suppliments Help Alot, And As Long As You're Using Them Correctly You Should Be Just Fine. Just Make Sure You Don't Mix The Wrong One's Together Or You Could Have A Stroke. Rest Is Real Important For Recovery. I Would'nt Worry About The Guys That Say You Don't Need Suppliments, If They Only Knew What Us Bigger Stronger Guys Knew.

[pelonxsoldier28]

It isn't me that I'm talking about because I don't have time to work out four hours a day. If I did, trust me I'd build it up to there. And would you call 150 minutes a work out overtraining? Because I work out that long everyday and I just keep on getting stronger and bigger. My friend, before he started pitching year round, told me he got his biggest gains when he worked out for 2 hours plus at the gym over the summer when he had the time to. It's not like you raech the level of overtrainning at a set time every work out. As long as you don't overtrain and reach your max everyday, it will benefit you. If you believe all that **** that they write then so be it, but I believe what I see with my own eyes than what some bull**** scientist say. And of course they aren't going to say, you can build your body to train 4 hours a day. Why you ask? Becuase some dumbass will read and it will try to make a huge jump in his work out time, and something very bad will happen.

This thread is just going to keep on going on between us two whoring it so I'm just going to express my last opinion.

Street Results > Lab Results

Take it easy bro.

ACTUALLY I WORKOUT FOR 3 HOURS A DAY FOR 5 DAYS, THEN TAKE THE WEEKEND OFF. THE SUPPLIMENTS DO IN FACT WORK, YOU GET BIGGER AND STRONGER FASTER, AND YOUR REPAIR TIME IS CUT IN HALF, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO HIT IT HARDER. AND AS LONG AS YOU EAT RIGHT YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE A WHOLE MONTH OFF WITHOUT LOSEING TOO MUCH. AFTER A WHILE YOU'LL KNOW WHAT OVER TRAINING IS TO YOU, FOR IT IS NOT THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. IT'S ALL ABOUT LIMITS, KNOW YOURS AND YOU WON'T GET HURT. DON'T GET GREEDY AND THINK, **** MY SHOLDER HURTS BUT I HAVE 5 SETS LEFT, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY, OTHER THEN THAT, NOT MUCH ELSE TO SAY.