Supplements

[dario]

True. But a week to two weeks is too damn long.

3 days at the most is enough to recover from a hard workout.

No I don't mean that. I work out for months on end and rarely have a off day. I meant in general. I mean I do have a life, so I do travel every now and then anywhere from a week to three and that's my break. Any weight lifter needs about a few weeks break every year to let their body rest and their joints build up. I'm not talking about resting after every workout, just once or twice a year. Everyone needs it.

[dario]

And why is this? Muscle = Muscle as far as I'm aware? What's the difference between getting your protein through powder or through pasta, for example? That's a bull**** line generally said by ignorant people trying to justify their lack of knowledge of nutrition.

The problem with your supplements is that about half are forms of creatine, and the other half are testosterone boosters. Take time off creatine and yes, you will feel weaker, as you're used to your muscles been very hydrated and pumped through water retention...and testosterone boosters, of course you're going to lose some sense of power after this, it's testosterone :/

However, if you had a more sensible stack, with the base being protein with casein, and maybe some creatine and a few amino acids thrown on top, then you're results would have probably been twice as good and lasted twice as long.

supplemental muscle = hard earned muscle

Dood, protein is not a supplement. It is a nutrition. I don't know why people think it is a supplement on here, it's just food. Real supplements (not protein) just inflate your muscle, i.e. nitric oxide and creatine. They just add a lot of water to your muscle, and if you stop using it you'll lose some of it. If you stop using and stop working for at least a week, you'll lose more than just some of it. Don't tell me you won't, because I've been through it more than once, and I've studied for a few years now.

[JasonB]

3 days at the most is enough to recover from a hard workout.

Actually, if your training with high intensity, 3 days is bare minimum...

I work out for months on end and rarely have a off day

Bit of a **** way to train, you'll end up overtraining and probably lose muscle with each workout rather than gain it. Before your body uses its energy to build muscle, it uses it to recover from the previous workout. If you workout daily, you're not even giving it time to do this, never mind to increase strength/size.

Dood, protein is not a supplement. It is a nutrition.

Eh? That sentence come in english too? "A Nutrition"? Anyway, thought you'd find this interesting:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=3...lement&defl=en
Oh, **** me, "Vitamins, minerals, or other substances taken by mouth, and intended as an addition to the diet."

So, let's check, whey protein...is it a vitamin, mineral or other substance taken by mouth and intended as an addition to the diet? Well **** me, I think it is.

[Gio]

Actually, if your training with high intensity, 3 days is bare minimum...

Who would train with low intensity? Maybe it takes YOU 3 days at minimum to recover, but im good by the next day.

[JasonB]

Sorry with my lack of definition there. By high intensity I mean low reps, heavy weight. By the 6-8th rep on most exercises you should be ****ting your lungs out, unable to do any more.

Maybe you FEEL good the next day, but how you feel means **** all to how your body is coping. I can quite easily go down the gym now, do a good 2 hour workout, and be ready to go again by tomorrow morning. But I won't get any gains from that, that's overtraining, I'm not leaving time for my energy reserves to recouperate.

I'm a follower of the HIT (High-Intesity Training) principles though, which Dorian Yates won Mr.Olympia 6 times, and Mike Mentzer was one of the main faces of. I haven't got the books here with me to quote, but if you have time you should give HIT a once over

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_intensity_training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer

[Gio]

Sorry with my lack of definition there. By high intensity I mean low reps, heavy weight. By the 6-8th rep on most exercises you should be ****ting your lungs out, unable to do any more.

Maybe you FEEL good the next day, but how you feel means **** all to how your body is coping. I can quite easily go down the gym now, do a good 2 hour workout, and be ready to go again by tomorrow morning. But I won't get any gains from that, that's overtraining, I'm not leaving time for my energy reserves to recouperate.

I'm a follower of the HIT (High-Intesity Training) principles though, which Dorian Yates won Mr.Olympia 6 times, and Mike Mentzer was one of the main faces of. I haven't got the books here with me to quote, but if you have time you should give HIT a once over

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_intensity_training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer

Lol, i think we're both confused about what we were talking about.
When i was talking about an intense workout, it was about boxing training and everything that comes with it.

I assumed you were talking about the same, and not hitting the weights.

I do hit the weights, but not too often. I can see how a person would need a few days to recover from a tough weight workout though, especially if they're just getting back into the swing of things.

[JasonB]

Ahh, I'm literally JUST getting into boxing, that's why I'm here, but I've been doing athletics and hitting weights for quite a while. Don't have a boxing gym as such where I'm from so I'm waiting 'til I'm back at base to start there

[dario]

Bit of a **** way to train, you'll end up overtraining and probably lose muscle with each workout rather than gain it. Before your body uses its energy to build muscle, it uses it to recover from the previous workout. If you workout daily, you're not even giving it time to do this, never mind to increase strength/size.

I haven't over trained ever. I work out for a least two hours a day, and I work on one muscle group per week. Adding a **** load of food with that, I gain mass like crazy. Don't tell me what would happen, when it never has happened in the last 2 years that I've been doing this routine. As long as you get your body used to the training gradually, it will get used to it. My friend works out 4 hours a day, on all his muscle groups, about 3-4 times a week. He is a ****ing gorilla; biggest Asian mother****er in our school. He didn't get like that from scratch, he worked his self up that way. After awhile, your body will get used to it and start recovering faster and faster, and allows you to work out more and more without having your test levels deplete and start a catabolic phase.

[JasonB]

Maybe he is a gorilla after 4 hours a day, 3-4 times a week. But if he had a longer gap and higher intensity workouts, he would be a rhino.

[dario]

Maybe he is a gorilla after 4 hours a day, 3-4 times a week. But if he had a longer gap and higher intensity workouts, he would be a rhino.

Are you kidding me or you just trying to be a smart ass? That guy doesn't even know half as much on nutrition and training as I do, but he'll kick my ass in any physical competition, i.e. fighting, wrestling, arm wrestling, etc. I bet he'd kick a lot people's asses on here. I can't think of anyone off the top off my head that could defeat this guy without a problem in my school (out of 4,000 people).