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  • #41
    Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
    Mayweather thinks he can pull the wool over our eyes by fighting a few top guys in each division and then moving up, while avoiding meaningful fights. He wants no part of Margarito, the guy we all want to see him fight, and instead wants to chase an old former fighter turned promoter named De La Hoya out of retirement but even there he is bidding himself out of the fight because of his arrogance and delusions of granduer.

    Mayweather is suddenly becoming a joke. He has the talent to remove all doubt as to where he stands but would rather tarnish his reputation and pull, as someone said, PR tricks then clear out these divisions. I'd rather a guy prove his mastery over a division before moving up personally.
    since that did not hurt Leonard's legacy, maybe he can pull it off as well

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
      That second response of mine pretty much said "okay if these guys are ducking him it still doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting them". I'm conceeding that maybe it's not Mayweather's fault. Honestly, I don't care if it's Mayweather's fault or not, that is irrelevent. If he doesn't fight these guys for any reason, he doesn't go down in history as an all time great.

      My criticism for Mayweather is him avoiding Margarito and turning down 8 million dollars for a fight he supposedly thinks he can win. A little su****ious don't you think? What does he have to lose if he thinks so little of Margarito? 8 million to fight a supposed pushover?
      why fight a paper champ for 8mils, when you can fight the lineal champ for more than that.

      secondly, isnt it a bit su****ious that When the DLH fight fell apart last year, the money Arum said was on the table just vanished (he did not have it anymore, Arum said. Weird that Bob Arum never heard about banks...)?

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
        There is high public interest in a Margarito-Mayweather fight. Larry Merchant, and Boom Boom Mancini among others stated in video, video that can be viewed on youtube, that in their opinions Margarito is the biggest threat to Floyd. This is not a few hardcore fans trying to push for this fight, there is a big buzz on the internet over Margarito-Mayweather. It has the potential to be a big fight and many think Margarito has a chance, myself included.

        Everyone wants to see this fight except for Mayweather's jockriders. They'd prefer to see him go after an old De La Hoya with an injured arm who isn't interested in fighting. They want their hero to remain pampered and safe.

        Sorry Mayweather fans but eventually your idol will have to get in there with Margarito and then all the speculation and bull**** comes to an end and the truth reveals itself.
        I, and many others, would rather see pbf with someone with a better chance to land a punch on him. De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Spinks...
        someone with more speed (all of the above also happen to have better resumes than marg btw)

        Margarito is going to be a must only if Floyd stays at 147.

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        • #44
          Do you really think Mayweather got more than 8 million to fight Baldomir? I doubt it. I wonder if he made half that amount. I am willing to accept it, if someone can prove the numbers, but I don't think he made 8 mil fighting Baldomir.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
            Do you really think Mayweather got more than 8 million to fight Baldomir? I doubt it. I wonder if he made half that amount. I am willing to accept it, if someone can prove the numbers, but I don't think he made 8 mil fighting Baldomir.
            why are you willing to accept he would get 8 million to fight Marg then?

            were those numbers ever proven? no

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
              Mayweather is full of himself. He's the best figher of his time but so was RJJ and neither ever came close to accomplishing what Greb, Ray Leonard or Robinson, Benny Leonard, etc did. He's completely delusional at this point and any time he tries to claim he's the greatest of all time I have to laugh at him. It's funny. Him crying after beating Baldomir as if it were a career defining fight is funny. Baldomir is much worse than Carmen Bassilio, who is far from the most impressive notch on Robinson's belt. Baldy is not even a Gene Fullmer to be honest.

              No offense to Mayweather, he's got serious skill and talent, but his resume is a joke compared to Harry Greb or Ray Robinson. He's like some brilliant young highschool kid thinking he's smarter than anyone in Harvard just because he never met anyone close to his intelligence in his hometown. Mayweather's great, but not THAT great. He has a ****load of work on his hands to even break the top ten P4P.

              As for him ever reaching that coveted #1 spot, he would have to fight 100-200 times with many big wins against top guys before he even comes close to matching a Greb or Robinson for me. You might say that's impossible. Okay, then it's impossible for him to ever top Robinson. I don't care if you think it's fair or not, I personally think it's unfair to cheapen what Robinson accomplished by saying "well guys fight less often these days so Mayweather has to do less to be comparable to those older guys".

              Its' not Mayweathers fault he lives in an era when boxing isn't a big sport anymore, but it should still hurt his ranking IMO.
              Achilles, are you a fighter or ex-fighter? If not, then we're gonna have to discredit your analysis even though it sounds well thought out and intelligient.

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Kid Achilles View Post
                Do you really think Mayweather got more than 8 million to fight Baldomir? I doubt it. I wonder if he made half that amount. I am willing to accept it, if someone can prove the numbers, but I don't think he made 8 mil fighting Baldomir.
                ESPN said it, and they dont just print anything, ESPN is more accredited than any promoter, or any boxing net site. They have more to lose printing fake ****, everything they print is confirmed unless its a trade rumour, this wasnt a rumour, it was listed as being confirmed several times.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Black Jesus View Post
                  ESPN said it, and they dont just print anything, ESPN is more accredited than any promoter, or any boxing net site. They have more to lose printing fake ****, everything they print is confirmed unless its a trade rumour, this wasnt a rumour, it was listed as being confirmed several times.
                  His own promoter also said he's making more than 8 million on many occasions and, frankly, Baldomir was the lineal champ while Margarito is a paper champ. I'm still wondering what Margarito has done to make these fools believe he is the only man who can beat Floyd...

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                  • #49
                    One of the best "light weights" of all time.

                    No more, no less. I would just mention his other fights in the higher divisions, but to just give icing to his light-weight career. But if he started fighting and beating what boxing fans [I mean general boxing fans, not just FLOYD FANS] wanted to see, then it will change my opinion of him.

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                    • #50
                      Guys like Mayweather are heavily hampered by the way the boxing industry works now. Fighters don't fight a lot, because they wait for HBO or Showtime slots, which are limited. The reason they wait for those slots is it's the only time they can make good money. The other problem is every promoter thinks their fighter is the greatest, so they demand top dollar, because that helps them line their own pockets. Some fighters, like Floyd, are heavily into the money aspect of the sport, and it tends to guide their decisions. Floyd will fight a weaker opponent for more money and more exposure. Unfortunately, he thinks he's the big draw in a fight with Oscar, so he'll demand huge money. I think a lot of the financial aspect of the sport is unfair, but realistically, with the way it works now, Oscar is the big draw in that fight and if Mayweather won't accept his terms, the fight won't happen. Mayweather can keep fighting in front of small crowds for all Oscar cares.

                      I think it's hard to say Mayweather is one of the greatest fighters. I think you could say one of the greatest lightweights and make a decent case for it. For him to be one of the greatest fighters he's going to have to start putting more "names" on his record, instead of leaving empty slots and question marks as he jumps through weight classes. He is one of the most technically impressive fighters I've ever seen, but if he doesn't fight someone, there's no way to know he would have beat them. You can assume, but that doesn't really mean anything. The thing about guys like Ali and Robinson is they have losses but they fought ever single tough contender that was available.

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