My personal thoughts on Mayweather's legacy.

[Kid Achilles]

That second response of mine pretty much said "okay if these guys are ducking him it still doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting them". I'm conceeding that maybe it's not Mayweather's fault. Honestly, I don't care if it's Mayweather's fault or not, that is irrelevent. If he doesn't fight these guys for any reason, he doesn't go down in history as an all time great.

My criticism for Mayweather is him avoiding Margarito and turning down 8 million dollars for a fight he supposedly thinks he can win. A little su****ious don't you think? What does he have to lose if he thinks so little of Margarito? 8 million to fight a supposed pushover?

That second response of mine pretty much said "okay if these guys are ducking him it still doesn't change the fact that he isn't fighting them". I'm conceeding that maybe it's not Mayweather's fault. Honestly, I don't care if it's Mayweather's fault or not, that is irrelevent. If he doesn't fight these guys for any reason, he doesn't go down in history as an all time great.

My criticism for Mayweather is him avoiding Margarito and turning down 8 million dollars for a fight he supposedly thinks he can win. A little su****ious don't you think? What does he have to lose if he thinks so little of Margarito? 8 million to fight a supposed pushover?

So if Joshua Clottey was offering 8 million he should fight him? How about is Santos Pakau (Williams opponent on the PBF-Baldomir undercard) somehow came up with an 8 million offer to Floyd? Should he fight him too? Why should he waste his time with unproven fighters?

And you're a hypocrite for bringing up that 8 million dollar offer when earlier in this very thread you said PBF should forget about going after money and take fights for less for the sake of his legacy. You're such a hater that you can't stop from contradicting yourself in your own thread. What a joke...

[hollister]

Fighters are supposed to fight, period.
If you're a fighter you do what you have to do do get fights, if the fighters
are unproven, the beat the ass and take the money. If there's a fighter who's more established than you and has accomplished more, you take short money to get the fight and beat the man so you can be the man and then you dictate what happens. Either way, a fighter should be trying to get fights, not simply telling everyone that he would win so there's no point in fighting him, in boxing you can have all the talent and skills in the world, but until you do it, it's all irrelevent.

[Kid Achilles]

There is high public interest in a Margarito-Mayweather fight. Larry Merchant, and Boom Boom Mancini among others stated in video, video that can be viewed on youtube, that in their opinions Margarito is the biggest threat to Floyd. This is not a few hardcore fans trying to push for this fight, there is a big buzz on the internet over Margarito-Mayweather. It has the potential to be a big fight and many think Margarito has a chance, myself included.

Everyone wants to see this fight except for Mayweather's jockriders. They'd prefer to see him go after an old De La Hoya with an injured arm who isn't interested in fighting. They want their hero to remain pampered and safe.

Sorry Mayweather fans but eventually your idol will have to get in there with Margarito and then all the speculation and bull**** comes to an end and the truth reveals itself.

[oldgringo]

I agree with the majority of your post.

If Mayweather cleaned out 147 and beat guys like Margarito, Cotto, Hatton, etc the same way that he beat Baldomir I think that there would be no room left to argue whether he was an all-time great or not. He is already a great lightweight who would be competitive (or would beat) with anyone who fought at 130 and 135.

He does have a LONG way to go if he's thinking he's going to be remembered alongside the Leonards and Haglers of boxing though.

There is high public interest in a Margarito-Mayweather fight. Larry Merchant, and Boom Boom Mancini among others stated in video, video that can be viewed on youtube, that in their opinions Margarito is the biggest threat to Floyd. This is not a few hardcore fans trying to push for this fight, there is a big buzz on the internet over Margarito-Mayweather. It has the potential to be a big fight and many think Margarito has a chance, myself included.

Everyone wants to see this fight except for Mayweather's jockriders. They'd prefer to see him go after an old De La Hoya with an injured arm who isn't interested in fighting. They want their hero to remain pampered and safe.

Sorry Mayweather fans but eventually your idol will have to get in there with Margarito and then all the speculation and bull**** comes to an end and the truth reveals itself.

So Margarito is better than DLH? Did his destruction of ******* Gomez make you sure of this?

[El Jesus]

There is high public interest in a Margarito-Mayweather fight. Larry Merchant, and Boom Boom Mancini among others stated in video, video that can be viewed on youtube, that in their opinions Margarito is the biggest threat to Floyd. This is not a few hardcore fans trying to push for this fight, there is a big buzz on the internet over Margarito-Mayweather. It has the potential to be a big fight and many think Margarito has a chance, myself included.

Everyone wants to see this fight except for Mayweather's jockriders. They'd prefer to see him go after an old De La Hoya with an injured arm who isn't interested in fighting. They want their hero to remain pampered and safe.

Sorry Mayweather fans but eventually your idol will have to get in there with Margarito and then all the speculation and bull**** comes to an end and the truth reveals itself.

You cant accuse people who want to see the biggest superfight of the last 15 years, and yes, THATS EXACTLY what this would be, mayweather sr training DLH for his retirement against his SON who is p4p number1, there is no other fight in boxing bigger than this, yet anyone who wants to see this is a "jockrider".

Here is the problem, instead of getting into the mindframe that everyone is a ****rider/nuthugger etc etc, think logically about knowing that some fans are objective while agreeing with a certain point and it DOES NOT dictate into being a "****rider".

SUPERFIGHTS are whats stopping mayweather from being an alltime great, Margarito, at this point, IS NOT A SUPERFIGHT. And thats nobodies fault but margaritos, its his fault he couldnt win his title shot, its his fault hes wained in a division 10 plus years while accomplishing just about nothing, this is all his fault. The 4 losses, while he was young and up and coming, are his fault, while the people ducking him in previous years arent his problem, his lack of ability to step up in his oppurtunity and WIN are his problem. How you gonna be in boxing this long and accomplish virtually nothing but a win over kermit cintron?

Oh, and manny steward etc were also clammoring for floyd to fight him too. Margarito IS a fight i wanna see, BUT NOT over a superfight, and thats the same with every other CASUAL fan, not some ****in boxing enthusiests who wanna see margarito land a lucky shot, because thats all people are waiting for.

[kayjay]

Mayweather thinks he can pull the wool over our eyes by fighting a few top guys in each division and then moving up, while avoiding meaningful fights. He wants no part of Margarito, the guy we all want to see him fight, and instead wants to chase an old former fighter turned promoter named De La Hoya out of retirement but even there he is bidding himself out of the fight because of his arrogance and delusions of granduer.

Mayweather is suddenly becoming a joke. He has the talent to remove all doubt as to where he stands but would rather tarnish his reputation and pull, as someone said, PR tricks then clear out these divisions. I'd rather a guy prove his mastery over a division before moving up personally.

Achilles man you lost it here. De La Hoya on his worst day is a hundred times the fighter Margarito is.

[Kid Achilles]

ODLH is not even remotely close to his prime. He's semi retired, has an injury in his arm that's been bothering him for a long time, and just plain isn't interested in fighting. This fight is only a bit more relevent than Lewis-Tyson. ODLH isn't quite shot like Tyson was but Mayweather is in his absolute prime unlike Lennox Lewis.

If it happens it will be a mismatch. If you think for a second that ODLH beating a crude Mayorga who's power (his only real asset) is questionable at 154 proves he's even 70% the fighter he was in his prime, you're crazy.

Margarito is a MUCH, MUCH bigger thread to Mayweather. If Mayweather is hell bent on moving up (though he hasn't come close to clearing out the welterweight division), he should fight Winky Wright. He is much better at this point than Oscar.

[K-DOGG]

ODLH is not even remotely close to his prime. He's semi retired, has an injury in his arm that's been bothering him for a long time, and just plain isn't interested in fighting. This fight is only a bit more relevent than Lewis-Tyson. ODLH isn't quite shot like Tyson was but Mayweather is in his absolute prime unlike Lennox Lewis.

If it happens it will be a mismatch. If you think for a second that ODLH beating a crude Mayorga who's power (his only real asset) is questionable at 154 proves he's even 70% the fighter he was in his prime, you're crazy.

Margarito is a MUCH, MUCH bigger thread to Mayweather. If Mayweather is hell bent on moving up (though he hasn't come close to clearing out the welterweight division), he should fight Winky Wright. He is much better at this point than Oscar.

You are hypothetically correct in that Margarito is a bigger threat to Mayweather than is De La Hoya; but an Oscar-Floyd match represents the "passing of the torch" ceremony from the superstar of the past to the superstar of the future, which is why more people will buy it...more people know De La Hoya than know Margarito. Just as Chavez was long past his best when De La Hoya beat him the first time and Whitaker was past his best when De La Hoya got the decision and the Welterweight Crown, so this fight is necessary for the fans. It's symbolic, that's all; new lion vs old lion.

(Personally, I don't think Margarito is as good as Williams; but that's another thread)