Roy Jones's prime competition... exactly how good was it?

[Easy-E]

You saw the worst of Toney and the best of Jones. Toney ate himself out of the fight with Jones.

Stop making excuses.
Jones > Toney.

[Easy-E]

There is a difference between muscle and fat

YOu cann turn 40 pounds of fat into 7 pounds of muscle.

[NexBesThang]

Bernard Hopkins - A
Fermin Chirino - D
Danny Garcia - D
Thomas Tate - B
James Toney - A
Antoine Byrd - C
Vinny Pazienza - B
Tony Thornton - B
Merqui Sosa - B
Eric Lucas - C
Bryant Brannon - C
Mike McCallum - B
Montell Griffin - A
Virgil Hill - A
Lou Del Valle - B
Otis Grant - B
Richard Frazier - C (he was highly ranked)
Reggie Johnson - A
David Telesco - C
Richard Hall - C(also highly ranked)
Eric Harding - B
Derrick Harmon - C(aslo highly ranked)
Julio Gonzalez - B
Glen Kelly - D
Clinton Woods - B
John Ruiz - A

Most of those guys he fought were indeed ranked high by the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF no matter how good they were, including the cop.

[Guest]

I understand, im just clarifiying that so people dont misunderstand what you are saying.

I hear ya, man.

You'll be pleased to see my Hatton thread tonight. Oh, and I remembered that I made not one but THREE Audley Harrison piss-take avatars.

[Left2body]

Hopkins was an A for his fight with Roy. Hopkins lost his 1st pro fight then won 21 straight fights then lost to Roy. Hopkins then went on and wasn't defeated again till Taylor. How was Hopkins green?

[Guest]

Hopkins was an A for his fight with Roy. Hopkins lost his 1st pro fight then won 21 straight fights then lost to Roy. Hopkins then went on and wasn't defeated again till Taylor. How was Hopkins green?

Name one of the 21 fighters he fought after Roy that was of comparable quality and a natural middle.

[Easy-E]

Bernard Hopkins - B
Fermin Chirino - D
Danny Garcia - D
Thomas Tate - B
James Toney - A
Antoine Byrd - C
Vinny Pazienza - B
Tony Thornton - B
Merqui Sosa - B
Eric Lucas - C
Bryant Brannon - C
Mike McCallum - B
Montell Griffin - A
Virgil Hill - A
Lou Del Valle - B
Otis Grant - B
Richard Frazier - C (he was highly ranked)
Reggie Johnson - A
David Telesco - C
Richard Hall - C(also highly ranked)
Eric Harding - B
Derrick Harmon - C(aslo highly ranked)
Julio Gonzalez - B
Glen Kelly - D
Clinton Woods - B
John Ruiz - A

Most of those guys he fought were indeed ranked high by the WBO, WBA, WBC and IBF no matter how good they were, including the cop.

That is a solid ranking.
Id just change B-Hop to an A.
Yeah he was young, but he had more pro fights than roy, and he had 96 amatuer fights. Jones is just a better fighter.

[Left2body]

Name one of the 21 fighters he fought after Roy that was of comparable quality and a natural middle.

Ok, he was green when he fought Roy and he is green after he fights Roy? When did Bernard peak then? When he fought DLH?

Also he beat Eastman and Echols twice and they were solid fighters. When you say comparable quality you mean comparable to Roy?

[Guest]

Ok, he was green when he fought Roy and he is green after he fights Roy? When did Bernard peak then? When he fought DLH?

Also he beat Eastman and Echols twice and they were solid fighters. When you say comparable quality you mean comparable to Roy?

Yeah. I mean, maybe "green" is a little harsh, but you must admit, he improved and got wilier after he fought Roy, no?

[GEOFFHAYES]

Stop making excuses.
Jones > Toney.

Toney at his best > Jones