Better legacy Trinidad or De La Hoya??

[borikua]

No more than happened when Tito got his ass handed to him by Hopkins and Wright.

Plus we are already counting those two loses when comparing their legacies...

[elhijoprodigo]

You guys act like Tito was not or shouldn't have taken a break. The guy is human you know, regardless if he retired after a loss, he took a break, he's been fighting since he was 16 non stop. Not for nothing DLH has had some LONG ass vacations himself, he just doesn't say he's retired. Tito in my eyes has a better legacy, but in the books it will go to DLH cause he is the "redblooded american", he has done well in boxing but he has fought people who already were demolished by Tito. Ok wityh Vargas, what if Vargas would've foought DLH before he fought tito. I bet Vargas would've beaten DLH cause he was much younger at the time, plus he would've been undefeated. But we'll never know cause tito took away Vargas hunger. Once Vargas felt that left hook, in the first. Done deal. Entertaining fight but Tito schooled him. And the way he finished him was spectacular. Now how did DLH beat Vargas? With the same punch Tito did the left hook. Meaning, DLH copied Tito's technique.

[vB Martin]

I have to disagree, Tito lost to the bigger guys in Hopkins and Winky at Middleweight, If Oscar looses to Floyd he will loose to the smaller guy...A guy that could easily make the Jr welterweight limit...

It doesn't matter. Mayweather is arguably a much better craftsman in the ring than either Hopkins or Wright. Plus, Oscar himself started out at 130, so it's not really a case of a smaller guy moving up to beat a larger guy, in the traditional sense.

Also, I have rarely seen as one-sided a beating at the elite level as Tito took at the hands of Winky Wright. Tito looked amateurish in that fight. Like a HS football team playing against the Super Bowl champs.

[Del Coqui]

It doesn't matter. Mayweather is arguably a much better craftsman in the ring than either Hopkins or Wright. Plus, Oscar himself started out at 130, so it's not really a case of a smaller guy moving up to beat a larger guy, in the traditional sense.

Also, I have rarely seen as one-sided a beating at the elite level as Tito took at the hands of Winky Wright. Tito looked amateurish in that fight. Like a HS football team playing against the Super Bowl champs.

You don't think PBF-DLH is a case of a smaller guy moving up to beat a larger guy? Oscar's been a 154 fighter for a few years, held a few titles in that weight and has even fought as a MW. There's a HUGE size different between these fighters, why do you think Oscar wants the fight at 154? PBF has fought twice at 147, and a blown up 147 pounds at that. Imagine him at 154? Imagine if PBF takes him, that'd be funny as hell.
Trinidad did get schooled by Winky, does that mean he's shot? Maybe, but the only thing for certain is that Oscar doesn't want to fight him, was only bluffing. He wants to take on a much smaller PBF to "go out in style".

[borikua]

It doesn't matter. Mayweather is arguably a much better craftsman in the ring than either Hopkins or Wright. Plus, Oscar himself started out at 130, so it's not really a case of a smaller guy moving up to beat a larger guy, in the traditional sense.

Also, I have rarely seen as one-sided a beating at the elite level as Tito took at the hands of Winky Wright. Tito looked amateurish in that fight. Like a HS football team playing against the Super Bowl champs.

Oh c'mon Martin, like if Oscar could make 130 now...Even when he started at 130 he was one big 103 pounder. Mayweather more crafty that Hopkins and Winky? Hopkins did imo his best performance againt Tito and Winky performed a very "safe" defensive fight against Tito.

[vB Martin]

Oh c'mon Martin, like if Oscar could make 130 now...Even when he started at 130 he was one big 103 pounder.

At 130 lbs he would, indeed, be one big 103 pounder

I am more impressed with smaller guys coming up in weight and beating naturally larger fighters than smaller guys coming up and beating fighters who started out as small as they did.
As for Oscar having fought at Middleweight, in his first fight he got outboxed for 12 rounds and got the biggest gift decision in recent history so he could make the multi-million dollar PPV and get KO'd by Hopkins. If he had actually won a fight at Middleweight I would be more impressed with his foray there.

Mayweather more crafty that Hopkins and Winky? Hopkins did imo his best performance againt Tito and Winky performed a very "safe" defensive fight against Tito.

I don't like Mayweather any more than I like De La Hoya, but I give them both credit where it's due. Mayweather is one of the most highly skilled boxers I have ever seen in my life, and he is crafty without using his elbows, unlike Hopkins.

My ideal outcome for De La Hoya v Mayweather would be a double career-ending double knock out.

[thirteen28]

You guys act like Tito was not or shouldn't have taken a break. The guy is human you know, regardless if he retired after a loss, he took a break, he's been fighting since he was 16 non stop. Not for nothing DLH has had some LONG ass vacations himself, he just doesn't say he's retired. Tito in my eyes has a better legacy, but in the books it will go to DLH cause he is the "redblooded american", he has done well in boxing but he has fought people who already were demolished by Tito. Ok wityh Vargas, what if Vargas would've foought DLH before he fought tito. I bet Vargas would've beaten DLH cause he was much younger at the time, plus he would've been undefeated. But we'll never know cause tito took away Vargas hunger. Once Vargas felt that left hook, in the first. Done deal. Entertaining fight but Tito schooled him. And the way he finished him was spectacular. Now how did DLH beat Vargas? With the same punch Tito did the left hook. Meaning, DLH copied Tito's technique.

Taking a break?!?! Tito didn't merely take a break - he stated himself he had retired as he had nothing left to accomplish in boxing!! Then he finally, after 3 years, pokes his head out and decides to fight again. Looks impressive against Mayorga, but then gets outboxed in such an extreme and embarrassing fashion by Winky that he gets shut out on one card and gets one sympathy round apiece on two other cards - and he retires again!!

And Vargas being much younger when he fought Tito compared to his fight against DLH? Math ain't your strong suit is it?? The Tito and DLH fights took place less than two years apart for Fernando, and he was a mere 5 days shy of his 23rd birthday when he fought the first of those two bouts ... which means he was a few months short of his 25th birthday when he fought DLH ... comprende? Not exactly an old man, and he went into the DLH fight with only the one loss on his record at an age where one can recover from what happened to him in the Trinidad fight. And as I said earlier in the thread, it was nowhere near on the same level as the beating an older Joe Frazier took at the hands of George Foreman, yet that didn't stop Frazier from giving Ali hell on two more occasions afterward.

And DLH copying Tito's technique ... give me a break. DLH had been a left-hooker since he was a kid and everybody knew going in it was always his best punch.

As far as having a better legacy, it has nothing to do with Oscar being a red-blooded American, particularly when Oscar makes more of his Mexican heritage than he ever did of his American citizenship. I've already mentioned another fighter from Puerto Rico (Wilfred Benitez) on this thread who should have a much greater legacy than Tito ever could, so that excuse doesn't fly either.

Face it - Tito was a limited, one-dimensional fighter who scored some spectacular knockouts but was totally defenseless once he was exposed by B-Hop (and arguably by DLH, although the contraversy masked it at the time). He showed absolutely no ability to adjust in the ring when his plan A wasn't working, even after a 3 year retirement where he had plenty of time to think about what went wrong. And he showed no ability whatsoever to psychologically recover from a defeat and carry on his career that so many other great champions have. He's overrated. Deal with it.

[xcaret]

You guys act like Tito was not or shouldn't have taken a break. The guy is human you know, regardless if he retired after a loss, he took a break, he's been fighting since he was 16 non stop. Not for nothing DLH has had some LONG ass vacations himself, he just doesn't say he's retired. Tito in my eyes has a better legacy, but in the books it will go to DLH cause he is the "redblooded american", he has done well in boxing but he has fought people who already were demolished by Tito. Ok wityh Vargas, what if Vargas would've foought DLH before he fought tito. I bet Vargas would've beaten DLH cause he was much younger at the time, plus he would've been undefeated. But we'll never know cause tito took away Vargas hunger. Once Vargas felt that left hook, in the first. Done deal. Entertaining fight but Tito schooled him. And the way he finished him was spectacular. Now how did DLH beat Vargas? With the same punch Tito did the left hook. Meaning, DLH copied Tito's technique.

At first i thought you were smart... but now i can see your a ****ing ******... Oscar has had an effective left hook since he was a ****ing kid...

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

Xcaret- You are giving me negatuve karma saying I dont know **** when i made a comment about De La Hoya beating Sturm. Your trying to say that wasnt a robbery? Most the world knows Sturm won that fight. And whyd you have to be a little pusy and give bad karma. Getting upset at the facts? A little emotional are you? *** you you bias shmuck.

[raymon123]

At first i thought you were smart... but now i can see your a ****ing ******... Oscar has had an effective left hook since he was a ****ing kid...

I was going to say the samething. He act like oscar left hook is a copy of tito left hook. If that's the case then tito left hooks is copy by chavez left hooks. Tito 2 losses was domination while oscar 4 losses was by either close fights or controversy.