PACQUIAO vs. GUZMAN

[Manny_P]

Barrera started his career at at 112 pounds and slowly moved up.
Morales began his career at 122 pounds.
Larios was coming off a loss and jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Pac.

It took 11 rounds of constantly hitting Barrera to finally get the stoppage. Just an accumulation, no one punch power.

Morales was absolutely exhausted and the accumulation got him. Not to mention th the guy looked like **** in his fight before this one and was 1-2 in his last 3.

Oscar Larios was coming off of a loss and jumping up 2 weight classes, and he still managed to hurt Pac.

Jorge Barrios spent his whole career at 130. He baloons up to around 150 pounds on fight night. He is much larger and stronger than Pac. Pac just throws more punches and they are faster. If Barrera and Morales took all them punches they took from Pac from Barrios they would probably have brain damage. Barrios is heavier handed and much larger.

Morales and Barrera are both older fighters with a lot of wear and tear, both GREATH FIGHTERS, but older. Guzman is a young fighter, a hungry fighter, and fresh. He hung in with the biggest 130 pounder and beat him. I feel Pac's strenght wont bother him at all. Guzman is actually a pretty big 130 pounder despit just moving up too. His power will be back one he settles in soon also.

Guzman beats Pac if it ever happens, and Barrios is heavier handed than Pac.

1. You have a Guzman signature.

You make alot of alibis. Pacquiao himself WAS a flyweight, 106lbs when he turned pro. So let me see.. a flyweight KOed 2 guys larger than him naturally? And they being great boxers at that.

Like I said, Barrera is tough guy. Nobody beats Barrera or TKOs him just like that, but Pac did. Pac has heavy hands and relentless pressure.

Oscar Larios? You just gave me an excuse why he lost.

Barrios is larger than Pac, but larger doesn't always equal hit harder. Morales is larger than Pac. He baloons to 180lbs when he's outside the ring, but he doesn't hit as hard as Pacquiao.

Pac vs Guzman would be a good fight until Guzman finds himself eating too many unseen fast left straight hands.

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

That's what they all say Buddy,Pac punches would not hurt them.Barrera and Morales were supposed to destroy PAC because they are legends and future HOF.JMM was supposed to beat PAC because he is the best counterpuncher in the business.Ledwaba was supposed to decision Pac cause he is technically superior.Julio was because he was slick.Velasquez was supposed to annihilate Pac cause he is naturally bigger.Lucero was supposed to knock out Pac's head because at the time they fought Lucero's knock out ratio was good.They all have one thing in common.They all tasted the canvas.

I have been watchin Pacquiao in his younger days in MANO-A-MANO (local boxing scene where he was discovered)since like he had only, as far as i can remember, 4 wins and I tell you man,you wouldn't think his WIDE very WIDE punches would hurt someone, moreso with his skinny body but they fold up really bad.
Most of us boxing fans here in the Phil. have one opinion and it still holds true till today about PAC.If he manages to sneak punches over your defenses you'll get hurt, no matter how technically superior the opponent is over him. If he hurt you all of your technical skills, superior defense, speed advantage over PAC goes down the toilet.He will manage to turn a supposed Boxing fight into a street brawl. But if, IF, he didnt hurt you in his first few clean punches, then Pac is in for a tough fight.

Guzman is a great fighter but I tell you, remember this, if they fought in 130 lbs division,no matter how fast Guzman is, he will be caught by Pac's punches and he will be hurt,It is question of whether he can stand up take it.

Velazquez wasnt suppose to annihilate Pac lol, the guy was his ***in warm up fight. Everyone knew Pc would win.

Morales vs Pac, Pac was favored to win the first fight. The majority bet was Pac by KO, and the same with the second fight.

Pac vs JMM was even, because most people werent sure about Pac yet.

and I dont know about the other fights you were talking about but them guys are all bums so I dont see how they were favored over Pac, and with the info you gave on these other fights, they probably werent favored just liek the other guys you mentioned. Sorry that just didnt make sense.

[SalvaDominicano]

LOL! i may have to stop now coz i might be dealing with a nuthugger

what did i say there that makes me a nuthugger? am i saying hes the fastest, hardest puncher in 130? hes the toughest 130lb'er right now? if u have something to say in response say it but if u dont, dont back out like a *****.

[Manny_P]

hey buddy. just because u knock someone out in the second fight doesnt make the first one non-existent. pac lost. it really still exists man. it wasnt just a bad dream.

yea u can get clocked in a round and still come back and throw punches in the same round. its called having heart not a miracle. good fighters do that whenever they are in that situation. larios also came back from some powerful punches and still fought back.

I didn't say it becomes non existent.

You said Larios almost KOed Pacquiao. No he didn't almost KO Pacquiao. Pacquiao almost KOed Marquez because he dropped him 3 times. Larios STUNNED Pac.

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

1. You have a Guzman signature.

You make alot of alibis. Pacquiao himself WAS a flyweight, 106lbs when he turned pro. So let me see.. a flyweight KOed 2 guys larger than him naturally? And they being great boxers at that.

Like I said, Barrera is tough guy. Nobody beats Barrera or TKOs him just like that, but Pac did. Pac has heavy hands and relentless pressure.

Oscar Larios? You just gave me an excuse why he lost.

Barrios is larger than Pac, but larger doesn't always equal hit harder. Morales is larger than Pac. He baloons to 180lbs when he's outside the ring, but he doesn't hit as hard as Pacquiao.

Pac vs Guzman would be a good fight until Guzman finds himself eating too many unseen fast left straight hands.

what about when Pac finds himself getting hit by fast hard shots he doesnt see coming? Hes been knocked silly before by lesser men so its possible. Also when Pac is throwing fast combos at Guzman, Guzman can throw back just as fast if not faster,

[Papa Ace]

what did i say there that makes me a nuthugger? am i saying hes the fastest, hardest puncher in 130? hes the toughest 130lb'er right now? if u have something to say in response say it but if u dont, dont back out like a *****.

ok man chill imma gonna stay here ok. but i aint talkin to you no more for now seems youve closed your mind to objective discussion.

[SalvaDominicano]

ok man chill imma gonna stay here ok. but i aint talkin to you no more for now seems youve closed your mind to objective discussion.

u called me a nuthugger for nothing so im not the close-minded one.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

I didn't say it becomes non existent.

You said Larios almost KOed Pacquiao. No he didn't almost KO Pacquiao. Pacquiao almost KOed Marquez because he dropped him 3 times. Larios STUNNED Pac.

Those were all flash KD's. JMM finished the 1st round very strong on his feet and punching back with ferocity. JMM wasnt close to be KO'd.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

1. You have a Guzman signature.

You make alot of alibis. Pacquiao himself WAS a flyweight, 106lbs when he turned pro. So let me see.. a flyweight KOed 2 guys larger than him naturally? And they being great boxers at that.

Like I said, Barrera is tough guy. Nobody beats Barrera or TKOs him just like that, but Pac did. Pac has heavy hands and relentless pressure.

Oscar Larios? You just gave me an excuse why he lost.

Barrios is larger than Pac, but larger doesn't always equal hit harder. Morales is larger than Pac. He baloons to 180lbs when he's outside the ring, but he doesn't hit as hard as Pacquiao.

Pac vs Guzman would be a good fight until Guzman finds himself eating too many unseen fast left straight hands.

I dont think he gets quite that high. 165-170 lbs is the highest he has reported to have been. 170lbs is also pushing it.

I think Guzman could handle Pac's power as long as he doesnt eat too many lefts. Guzman is a thick strong lightweight at 5'7.

[Manny_P]

Those were all flash KD's. JMM finished the 1st round very strong on his feet and punching back with ferocity. JMM wasnt close to be KO'd.

yea, that's why he was looking around for Pac when he was dropped, CONFUSED.

he was close to being KOed. Like Pac said, had he had more time, he would've been done in that round.