PACQUIAO vs. GUZMAN

[SalvaDominicano]

hell even joan himself cannot believed he won that fight.

did he tell u that himself? he cant believe he won the fight? watch it again he cant believe barrios even won on the one of the scorecards...

[Papa Ace]

was outboxed by morales in the first fight.
was outboxed by marquez from rd. 2 - rd. 12.
was almost knocked out by a punch he didnt see coming by Larios.

what do u think will happen when a faster, stronger, hungrier fighter with better defense is in the ring with him?

what defense? he stuck out his chin and drops his guards like it has prison chains or something. he may look to be very fast / quick in avoiding the punches but that's not a quality of a good defense. everytime you expose a chin like that youre just a disaster waiting to happen.

[SalvaDominicano]

From Round 2 to 12 outboxed by Marquez? How come Marquez didn't get out with the W? That's your opinion and a biased one at that.

Outboxed by Morales in the 1st and lost 115-113 but came back in the rematch to knockout Morales allowing him to only win 3 rounds dropping Morales viciously 2 times (hasn't been done).

Almost knocked out? He didn't even get knocked down and he was almost knocked out? If he was dropped then I see your point. Pac was just got stunned by a shot, got caught in the ropes, which he recovered quick and took over after that. NEVER close to getting "KOed"

your opinion is that he wasnt outboxed by marquez and thats biased too if u wanna look at it that way. yea i think jmm shouldve won.

so u admit he was outboxed? good at least u have some sense in u unlike some other people. im saying he was outboxed in the 1st fight and u come back and say the same thing u said in the other post... w/e

he wouldnt been down had it not been for the ropes against larios. had he gone down i believe the whole flow of the fight wouldve changed.


idk why u cant accept people's opinions when you pac fans are the MOST biased fans of all. u could ask all of boxingscene who are the most biased fans? all would say pac fans so please.. if pac is god to u.. dont call other posts biased.

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

Pac TKOed Barrera dropping him 3 times in the process.
Pac TKOed Morales dropping him twice in the process.
Pac dropped Marquez 3 times
Dropped Larios 2

etc......

and those 4 are tough boxers with proven chin too.

Barrera started his career at at 112 pounds and slowly moved up.
Morales began his career at 122 pounds.
Larios was coming off a loss and jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Pac.

It took 11 rounds of constantly hitting Barrera to finally get the stoppage. Just an accumulation, no one punch power.

Morales was absolutely exhausted and the accumulation got him. Not to mention th the guy looked like **** in his fight before this one and was 1-2 in his last 3.

Oscar Larios was coming off of a loss and jumping up 2 weight classes, and he still managed to hurt Pac.

Jorge Barrios spent his whole career at 130. He baloons up to around 150 pounds on fight night. He is much larger and stronger than Pac. Pac just throws more punches and they are faster. If Barrera and Morales took all them punches they took from Pac from Barrios they would probably have brain damage. Barrios is heavier handed and much larger.

Morales and Barrera are both older fighters with a lot of wear and tear, both GREATH FIGHTERS, but older. Guzman is a young fighter, a hungry fighter, and fresh. He hung in with the biggest 130 pounder and beat him. I feel Pac's strenght wont bother him at all. Guzman is actually a pretty big 130 pounder despit just moving up too. His power will be back one he settles in soon also.

Guzman beats Pac if it ever happens, and Barrios is heavier handed than Pac.

[SalvaDominicano]

what defense? he stuck out his chin and drops his guards like it has prison chains or something. he may look to be very fast / quick in avoiding the punches but that's not a quality of a good defense. everytime you expose a chin like that youre just a disaster waiting to happen.

lmao avoiding punches is not the quality of a good defense. right.. go and tell pernell whitaker that.

[Manny_P]

your opinion is that he wasnt outboxed by marquez and thats biased too if u wanna look at it that way. yea i think jmm shouldve won.

so u admit he was outboxed? good at least u have some sense in u unlike some other people. im saying he was outboxed in the 1st fight and u come back and say the same thing u said in the other post... w/e

he wouldnt been down had it not been for the ropes against larios. had he gone down i believe the whole flow of the fight wouldve changed.


idk why u cant accept people's opinions when you pac fans are the MOST biased fans of all. u could ask all of boxingscene who are the most biased fans? all would say pac fans so please.. if pac is god to u.. dont call other posts biased.

you said indirectly that Pac only won Round 1 against Marquez. I'm not biased. Check yourself.

Pac lost to Morales. Morales boxed well that night, but like I said, he came back to KO that same guy in the rematch impressively that the 1st fight almost appear non existent.

You're guessing and assuming with this "if the ropes wasn't there" etc. Pac came back throwing in that same round he got stunned in. He was almost KOed? Not even.


Nice try trying to insult me and Pacquiao fans.

[burglar]

I After being in with such a huge jr. lightweight I dont think Pac's strength would bother Guzman. The only think that could possible hurt Guzman is an accumulation of punches which is possible, but I doubt it would happen. Guzman is very fast, very strong, great chin, young. Hes the future. When he fights Pac, Pac's time is up. If the fight ever happens that is. I really feel Guzman would beat Pac and probably even KO him.

That's what they all say Buddy,Pac punches would not hurt them.Barrera and Morales were supposed to destroy PAC because they are legends and future HOF.JMM was supposed to beat PAC because he is the best counterpuncher in the business.Ledwaba was supposed to decision Pac cause he is technically superior.Julio was because he was slick.Velasquez was supposed to annihilate Pac cause he is naturally bigger.Lucero was supposed to knock out Pac's head because at the time they fought Lucero's knock out ratio was good.They all have one thing in common.They all tasted the canvas.

I have been watchin Pacquiao in his younger days in MANO-A-MANO (local boxing scene where he was discovered)since like he had only, as far as i can remember, 4 wins and I tell you man,you wouldn't think his WIDE very WIDE punches would hurt someone, moreso with his skinny body but they fold up really bad.
Most of us boxing fans here in the Phil. have one opinion and it still holds true till today about PAC.If he manages to sneak punches over your defenses you'll get hurt, no matter how technically superior the opponent is over him. If he hurt you all of your technical skills, superior defense, speed advantage over PAC goes down the toilet.He will manage to turn a supposed Boxing fight into a street brawl. But if, IF, he didnt hurt you in his first few clean punches, then Pac is in for a tough fight.

Guzman is a great fighter but I tell you, remember this, if they fought in 130 lbs division,no matter how fast Guzman is, he will be caught by Pac's punches and he will be hurt,It is question of whether he can stand up take it.

[Papa Ace]

did he tell u that himself? he cant believe he won the fight? watch it again he cant believe barrios even won on the one of the scorecards...

LOL! i may have to stop now coz i might be dealing with a nuthugger

[RockLee]

LOL! i may have to stop now coz i might be dealing with a nuthugger

hindi ka na nasanay?

[SalvaDominicano]

you said indirectly that Pac only won Round 1 against Marquez. I'm not biased. Check yourself.

Pac lost to Morales. Morales boxed well that night, but like I said, he came back to KO that same guy in the rematch impressively that the 1st fight almost appear non existent.

You're guessing and assuming with this "if the ropes wasn't there" etc. Pac came back throwing in that same round he got stunned in. He was almost KOed? Not even.


Nice try trying to insult me and Pacquiao fans.

hey buddy. just because u knock someone out in the second fight doesnt make the first one non-existent. pac lost. it really still exists man. it wasnt just a bad dream.

yea u can get clocked in a round and still come back and throw punches in the same round. its called having heart not a miracle. good fighters do that whenever they are in that situation. larios also came back from some powerful punches and still fought back.