Great Article On James Toney And Saturday's Fight...

[Kid Achilles]

Why don't you read the rest of my posts instead of focusing on the fat jokes. Maybe Peter haters rip on his condition yet it's all his supporters respond to. I make good points about why Toney did not come close to dominating Peter and everyone is silenced. No one wants to touch that with a ten foot pole. It's much easier to say "oh you're just shallow and looking at his waistline and not his skills". Oh, I noticed his skills, and they are all they're hyped up to be, but skills alone don't win a fight. Skills don't do the fighting for you. Maybe if Toney came to fight in better shape and had a higher punch output, he would have won that fight convincingly.

[Dkknight]

From what I saw, it looked like Peter was stealing rounds by putting together combinations the last 15-30 seconds of each round. The scoring was absolutely rediculous. The fight was much closer than that and a draw would have been suffice. I honestly had Toney up by 1 or 2 points, but as I said a draw would have also been fair. This is a perfect example of why the sport of boxing is coming to a slow but sure demise. Maybe they'll start showing some more PRIDE fights over here.. *sigh*

[K-DOGG]

Flurries and combinatons don't win fights. Imposing your will on an opponent wins a fight. If you can knock the opponent back with a jab alone, and mix in the occassional right hand or left hook, you are doing well. You don't need to throw 4-5 punch combinations at a time to win a round if a jab or two has the same effect.

People on this site have a delusional view on what boxing is. It's not about looking smooth or nice in the end, it's about imposing your will on your opponent, it's about HURTING the opponent. The slick defense is there to prevent you from sustaining damage, but it doesn't win rounds. You need to land hard punches, maybe not knockout punches, but hard punches that force the opponent back and get their respecrt.

Peter was in that fight all the way. A lot of those rounds should have been scored 10-10 or 10-9 for Peter in the occasions where Toney took them off. To have Toney dominating is just as absurd as having Peter at 116-111. It wasn't a landslide fight for either guy.

The problem with scoring this fight was judges were afraid to pull out the old 10-10, one of the most sorely missed aspects of judging in boxing. If no man noticeably dominates a round, it's 10-10.

Couldn't agree more. I ended up with two 10-10 rounds and one 9-9...and many of the rounds were extremely close; very hard fight to score. Neither man dominated, IMHO.

[GunStar]

Couldn't agree more. I ended up with two 10-10 rounds and one 9-9...and many of the rounds were extremely close; very hard fight to score. Neither man dominated, IMHO.

K-Dogg you keep agreeing with Kid who makes no sense what so ever.

[Kid Achilles]

I make no sense to you because you're a ****ing idiot. If I tried to teach my ****ing dog American history he wouldn't know what I was saying would he? That's because he's a dip**** moron like you.

[GunStar]

I make no sense to you because you're a ****ing idiot. If I tried to teach my ****ing dog American history he wouldn't know what I was saying would he? That's because he's a dip**** moron like you.

No your full of **** 99% of the time, you keep proving it with every post. You want me send you some old fights??

[K-DOGG]

K-Dogg you keep agreeing with Kid who makes no sense what so ever.

No, he does make sense. Number of punches landed isn't necessarily the main factor in who wins a professional prize fight. Achilles is correct when he says it's overall dominance. Toney did land more punches; but he also took periods of time off which allowed Peter to get off to good effect; and Peter's punches physically moved Toney back....which leaves an impression.

As I'd stated in my Amateur Boxing vs Professional Boxing post, too many people look at punch-stats, or rely on how clever a particular boxer looks.

I do think Toney won; but it wasn't a blow-out or a dominant performance by any means. That's what I agree with.

[GunStar]

No, he does make sense. Number of punches landed isn't necessarily the main factor in who wins a professional prize fight. Achilles is correct when he says it's overall dominance. Toney did land more punches; but he also took periods of time off which allowed Peter to get off to good effect; and Peter's punches physically moved Toney back....which leaves an impression.

As I'd stated in my Amateur Boxing vs Professional Boxing post, too many people look at punch-stats, or rely on how clever a particular boxer looks.

I do think Toney won; but it wasn't a blow-out or a dominant performance by any means. That's what I agree with.

That's nonsense, come on now don't turn into another Kid now, I have no respect for that dumbass!

[K-DOGG]

That's nonsense, come on now don't turn into another Kid now, I have no respect for that dumbass!

All I'm saying is there's more to professional boxing that landing snappy counters and covering up well.

Peter did not win the fight IMHO; but it was a lot closer than some are making it out to be....and the reason it was close was due to the impression both fighters made in the ring. In the end, Toney was the better man; but he did not "dominate" Peter.

Neither man, IMO, looked "great"; but Toney looked better than he did against Rahman, a fight which I feel he lost clearly.

I just think that Toney has created with his wins and his legacy a kind of aura like Ali had in the later stages of his second career where fans are hypnotized into just watching him and not the fight, if that makes any sense. If all you're (not you) watching is Toney, then you're missing half the action. Many fans of great fighters fall into this trap.

I've been a fan of Toney's since I first saw him on ESPN years ago when he faced and beat Merqui Sosa; but I have to make myself watch the fight if I'm going to score it because it is so easy to be an admirer of his work and miss the content of the entire fight.

[DiegoFuego]

Easy work for Toney. The fight wasn't close at all, so don't try to save face by saying it was, K-Dogg. You made a bold prediction, but you were completely wrong on this one. Toney dominated that fight in terms of rounds. If you can find 5 rounds to give to Peter, then you are reaching really hard.