Great Article On James Toney And Saturday's Fight...

[deuce_drop]

I stopped reading this article at the words "rarely seen clinic". The only clinic having to do with this fight was the one Toney had to be rushed to to later that night after a late night Whopper binge.

pathetic.......pure hate. and for a heavyweight fight, that was a rarely seen boxing clinic, you're just to filled with hate to see it. you are truely sad.

[monkeyboy]

I finally watched the fight last night on a stream and paid CLOSE attention. I quickly tuned out the commentary as the two speakers were favoring Toney in their tone and I wanted to watch without their opinion.
I had a decent view (not perfect) but the sound was superb.

1st- Toney WAS impressive. He had some beautiful moments of fast combos. His defense was excellent at times but he was not uncatchable. He won sections of most rounds.

The problem comes with Peter usually having a good minute or so as well. Toney got caught. Toney got backed up. Peter even threw a few useful combos. Peter's landed punches were audible.

After the first four rounds I realised it really was a matter of which fighter you favored (or disfavored) as I found it a very even fight with Peter's aggression, power dominance and complete disinterest in all but one of Toney's shots being well balanced with Toney's quickness of hands (at times), defensive leans (he really leant with the punches more than anything) and accuracy of punches.

MANY rounds were a toss up for me. I have to say that it was quite an enjoyably even fight. 116-111 no way. However I would have taken EITHER fighter winning by a margin of 1-2 rounds MAX.

Echoing articles I have read, I would accept the win more readily with a more realistic scoreline. Good fight from both men. Poor scoring from 2 judges. I feel these judges hurt Peter's rep. more than they helped it. I was impressed that Peter has progressed a little as a fighter. I would still like to see toney back up his talent and verbal skill better but he can still fight.

Good fight. Bizarre scoreline. If either fighter is truly dominant then either KO or completely dominate your opponant. I don't take much pleasure from having picked Peter to win. This fight was too controversial.

[K-DOGG]

I stopped reading this article at the words "rarely seen clinic". The only clinic having to do with this fight was the one Toney had to be rushed to to later that night after a late night Whopper binge.

Agreed.

While I personally did indeed score the fight for Toney; this is not the most outrageous decision I've ever heard...though the scores of the two judges who had Peter winning by 5-point gaps was "outrageous".

What kills me is the apparent sentiment that professional boxing is scored the same way as amateur boxing. Here's a heads up for all who do not know: it really doesn't matter who landed more punches in a professional prize ring.

While it is true that most of the time, the guy landing most of the shots wins the fight, it's not the only determining factor. For example, if "Fighter A" lands 40 punches on "Fighter B" during a 3:00 round; and "Fighter B" lands, say 15, but one of those 15 changed the tempo of the round and decidedly put "Fighter A" on ***** Street and on the defensive for, say, 1:45 of that round....guess who wins. That's right, "Fighter B".

You see, "Professional Boxing" is all about dominance....and James Toney did not dominate Saturday's showdown with Samuel Peter. True, there were intervals where his clean punching and defensive prowess were the most "dominant" aspects of the bout; but not so much that Sam Peter might as well not have been in the ring. How a fight is scored professionally is dependent upon the perspective of the individual judge and what he/she is looking for; ergo....subjective in nature. Compubox, quite frankly, doesn't mean **** in the pro-ranks, regardless of how cool it is to know the exact number of punches landed. You see, that technology is relatively new. When judging began many moons ago on boxing matches, the judge had to decide who won the individual rounds...and in some cases the whole damn fight without such modern convieniences; hence the whole, effective aggression, defense, ring generalship, etc criteria.

This IS NOT the amateurs....and should not be juged as such.

That being said, the two judges who scored it for Peter by margins of 116-111 need to have their eyes examined or their post-fight bank roll checked.

[eazy_mas]

Truthfully saying robbed or not robbed i am happy that Toney lost it against Peters.

If you guys think a rematch would change remember this Peter is just starting and Toney is not. You cant learn an old dog new tricks.

Yes he is better skill wise than nearly all the HW but that not only will take you threw a fight.

Its better to have some new faces in boxing than old one that insults the sport.

Toney have experince in his side right now but that wont hold him to long.

[realheavyhands]

peter won 3 rounds, 5 max and a point was taking....this is just a case of out with the old in with the new wich is a god damn shame becuase a 38 year put on on a great show and clearly won the fight... peter doesnt even hit that hard he had one unimpressive impressive knockout against jeremy williams who got cought with his chin up...this is ****in rediculous.. how you can you robb a legend.. i am a toney fan not becuase the way he acts or speaks or anything but becuasei like perfection and toney is the best fighter in the world.. i was very impressed with this preformance and thought it would be a tougher fight..anybody who thinks otherwise all you care about is the myth of power punchers witch peter is not hes just bigger then his opponents

[Kid Achilles]

No way did Toney win that many rounds. I had the fight more or less even going into the last round, and Peter won that one convincingly IMO. If need be I'll rewatch it and keep score and see what I get, but I think I'll arrive at the same conclusion: Peter by a round or two.

I laugh when I hear some of you whining about "ooooh what a robbery! I'm gonna stop watching boxing". Good, stop watching it, the sport doesn't need sore losers like you anyway.

This fight was less of a robbery than Rahman vs. Toney where Rahman clearly deserved the nod IMO. You can't lay on the ropes, fight in spurts, and expect to be perceived as "dominating" the opponent. The guy who is forcing the other guy back through effective punching(whether it's a flush shot or a glancing blow, if it forces the opponent back or gets a reaction from him it's an effective shot) is the one racking up points.

If you changed the rules of pro boxing to favor the guy with the better hit%, everyone would fight like Toney and there would NEVER BE ANY ACTION. BOXING WOULD BE THE LEAST EXCITING SPORT ON THE PLANET AND NO ONE WOULD WATCH IT.

Toney's style has it's advantages. It conserves energy and allows Toney to fight often against quality opposition without sustaining a lot of dmaage. However, the lack of aggression and more importantly his lack of power at HW, will cost him rounds in a big way. You can sit back and counter the opponent, providing YOU HURT HIM WITH THOSE COUNTERPUNCHES. It'd be one thing if Peter's punches had little effect on Toney either. In that case I'd give the rounds to the guy landing at a higher rate, Toney. But since Peter was knocking Toney back with every jab and punch he landed, that completely overshadowed Toney's neat looking countering.

[Southpaw16]

"It seems abundantly clear most of the present era is more concerned with the roundness of his physique than the window he offers of a look into the past where fighters like Archie Moore once showed a troupe of bigger men that true pugilism negates physical gifts and sheer size."-Fightfan.com

Its true, most boxing fans don't respect Toney for his skills as BOXER. Its sad, they would rather talk about how he looks. What about his counter punching ability that he carried from 160-heavyweight? This isn't a fitness site...

Word. Duncan Dokiwari would be the world's best fighter if physique was as important as people think. The misconceptions also led people to believe that Jeff Lacy was an unstoppable wrecking machine.

[restless_438]

again i'll say it, if some of you want to give a fighter a DECISION win because of 3-4 TOTAL FLURRIES in a fight, you go right ahead, Peter told what his gameplan would be, KO'ing James in 4 rounds, he failed, and if you're going to try to tell me that Peter boxed better than James, you're crazy, point blank.. i'm really sadly surprised by some of the members in here..

[Kid Achilles]

Flurries and combinatons don't win fights. Imposing your will on an opponent wins a fight. If you can knock the opponent back with a jab alone, and mix in the occassional right hand or left hook, you are doing well. You don't need to throw 4-5 punch combinations at a time to win a round if a jab or two has the same effect.

People on this site have a delusional view on what boxing is. It's not about looking smooth or nice in the end, it's about imposing your will on your opponent, it's about HURTING the opponent. The slick defense is there to prevent you from sustaining damage, but it doesn't win rounds. You need to land hard punches, maybe not knockout punches, but hard punches that force the opponent back and get their respecrt.

Peter was in that fight all the way. A lot of those rounds should have been scored 10-10 or 10-9 for Peter in the occasions where Toney took them off. To have Toney dominating is just as absurd as having Peter at 116-111. It wasn't a landslide fight for either guy.

The problem with scoring this fight was judges were afraid to pull out the old 10-10, one of the most sorely missed aspects of judging in boxing. If no man noticeably dominates a round, it's 10-10.

[Mishra100]

I stopped reading this article at the words "rarely seen clinic". The only clinic having to do with this fight was the one Toney had to be rushed to to later that night after a late night Whopper binge.

It would be nice to find one person that said Peter won that wasn't making ****** fat jokes at Toney. It is obvious that you all picked Peter to win because you hate how fat he comes into matches. Sad stuff.