Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder vs. Dillian Whyte Would Be Massive Fight, Says Hearn

[Monty Fisto]

Arbitration can take half a year or longer. If the contract is deemed to still be valid and Fury chooses to fight Joshua, he could essentially be working for Wilder.

So the best option for the beast that is Fury is to fight Wilder, keep his money and make an even bigger killing with Joshua.

Easy work right?

You're reaching.

Fury vs Joshua is a fight the whole world will watch. Even Wilder and his team must realise a Fury vs Wilder fight is desperately unattractive in comparison.

Option A: fight Joshua for an unprecedented chance of holding all the major belts at once, a vast amount of money and exposure

or

Option B: go through the gears of a trilogy fight with Wilder. If Fury wins he holds the same belt he already has, makes much less money than option A and has to listen to the same sore loser excuses that he got the last time he beat him up.

The upside of B is not great -- far less attractive than option A.

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Eddie Hearn, promoter for heavyweight contender Dillian Whyte, believes a clash with former world champion Deontay Wilder would be a massive fight. Wilder has been out of the ring since getting stopped in seven rounds by Tyson Fury in February 2020, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
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As if Wilder would go anywhere near Dillian.
If Wilder would agree to fight Chisora I'd be surprised.
Give him Nathan Gorman, 50/50 fight that.

[davefromvancouv]

You're reaching.

Fury vs Joshua is a fight the whole world will watch. Even Wilder and his team must realise a Fury vs Wilder fight is desperately unattractive in comparison.

Option A: fight Joshua for an unprecedented chance of holding all the major belts at once, a vast amount of money and exposure

or

Option B: go through the gears of a trilogy fight with Wilder. If Fury wins he holds the same belt he already has, makes much less money than option A and has to listen to the same sore loser excuses that he got the last time he beat him up.

The upside of B is not great -- far less attractive than option A.

Sounds good but Fury can't do anything until arbitration ends. And if he is legally obligated to satisfy the rematch clause, he'll either have to fight Wilder, or fight Joshua and give Wilder a portion of his purse. Or retire. Again.

And according to you, Fury beats Wilder easily so he might as well fight him, confirm that the rematch was no fluke (or worst), then move on to Joshua with a clean slate.

Because his actions are saying he doesn't think he can do it again and would actually prefer to pay Wilder his purse rather than beat him up (easily).

[Eff Pandas]

With Tyson & AJ linked up together for 2021 I think the winner of this fight sets themselves up as the next big fight for whoever has the belts in 2022.

That said I think Whyte MUST reverse his L to Povetkin first & I think Deontay gots to get in the ring with at least a top 20 guy so we can see if he's the same guy he once was. After a L like Wilder took & all the excuses he came up with idk if the Speak It, Believe It, Receive It guy exists anymore. So later in the year I think this makes a lot of sense, assuming both guys get back on track.

[Monty Fisto]

Sounds good but Fury can't do anything until arbitration ends. And if he is legally obligated to satisfy the rematch clause, he'll either have to fight Wilder, or fight Joshua and give Wilder a portion of his purse. Or retire. Again.

And according to you, Fury beats Wilder easily so he might as well fight him, confirm that the rematch was no fluke (or worst), then move on to Joshua with a clean slate.

Because his actions are saying he doesn't think he can do it again and would actually prefer to pay Wilder his purse rather than beat him up (easily).

You seem desperate to put words in my mouth. Over and over you peddle the notion that I think Fury beats Wilder easily. I haven't once said this. You, however, have written it several times. Your argument is very weak when it relies on shooting down the very thing that you are introducing to the discussion.

[davefromvancouv]

You seem desperate to put words in my mouth. Over and over you peddle the notion that I think Fury beats Wilder easily. I haven't once said this. You, however, have written it several times. Your argument is very weak when it relies on shooting down the very thing that you are introducing to the discussion.

My argument is simple: the reason why Fury wants nothing to do with Wilder, had his promoter and his network delay the fight several times, went through mediation and is now fighting arbitration is because he knows Wilder's team will make sure that it's a level playing field in the third fight and when that happens, Wilder will brutally knock him out.

[Monty Fisto]

My argument is simple: the reason why Fury wants nothing to do with Wilder, had his promoter and his network delay the fight several times, went through mediation and is now fighting arbitration is because he knows Wilder's team will make sure that it's a level playing field in the third fight and when that happens, Wilder will brutally knock him out.

Yes, we've been over this and it doesn't really add up. Clearly fighting Wilder offers much smaller rewards than fighting Joshua and therefore the rationale for Fury exploring that option instead is plain to see.

Your level playing field nonsense is, I'm afraid, simply that: conspiracy theory nonsense.

I suspect you know Wilder will not be fighting Fury next, let alone brutally knocking him out, and instead he will be fighting a journeyman in the hopes of digging his career out of the pothole in which it currently resides. I genuinely hope he can put all his sore loser saltiness behind him, work on the flaws in his boxing skills, and come back and make it as a genuine contender again. But the first step is letting go of the delusion. His water was not doped. The ref was not against him. Mark Breland did not let him down. Fury did not put a dent in his skull with an egg weight. No one ever performed an autopsy on him.

[BodyBagz]

Maybe in a trash talking match ?

[davefromvancouv]

Yes, we've been over this and it doesn't really add up. Clearly fighting Wilder offers much smaller rewards than fighting Joshua and therefore the rationale for Fury exploring that option instead is plain to see.

Your level playing field nonsense is, I'm afraid, simply that: conspiracy theory nonsense.

I suspect you know Wilder will not be fighting Fury next, let alone brutally knocking him out, and instead he will be fighting a journeyman in the hopes of digging his career out of the pothole in which it currently resides. I genuinely hope he can put all his sore loser saltiness behind him, work on the flaws in his boxing skills, and come back and make it as a genuine contender again. But the first step is letting go of the delusion. His water was not doped. The ref was not against him. Mark Breland did not let him down. Fury did not put a dent in his skull with an egg weight. No one ever performed an autopsy on him.

Wilder doesn't need to change a thing, having the highest knockout ratio in heavyweight history and having matched Muhammad Ali's record of ten title defenses. He's already a Hall Of Famer whether you like it or not.

Fury on the other hand needs to do just one thing: be a man of his word and give Wilder the same opportunity Wilder gave him. It would be a unique event, a chance to prove that he can actually win a title fight without controversy, first with Klitschko, and now with Wilder. He seems to do an awful lot to avoid just one title defense, let alone a rematch. It's pretty obvious why, and it has nothing to do with money because he'd be losing a lot of it if the arbitration case goes Wilder's way.

[Monty Fisto]

Wilder doesn't need to change a thing, having the highest knockout ratio in heavyweight history and having matched Muhammad Ali's record of ten title defenses. He's already a Hall Of Famer whether you like it or not.

Fury on the other hand needs to do just one thing: be a man of his word and give Wilder the same opportunity Wilder gave him. It would be a unique event, a chance to prove that he can actually win a title fight without controversy, first with Klitschko, and now with Wilder. He seems to do an awful lot to avoid just one title defense, let alone a rematch. It's pretty obvious why, and it has nothing to do with money because he'd be losing a lot of it if the arbitration case goes Wilder's way.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Wilder.

Let's go over some of the points you raise though.

First up, the bit about the hall of fame. "He's already a hall of famer whether you like it or not'. Whether he is already in there or not is a matter of fact. And unfortunately he is not 'already' in there. Maybe one day. If you meant 'one day he will be', your use of the word 'already' is where you've let yourself down.

Next up: your claim that Fury needs to be a man of his word and give Wilder an opportunity. He's given his word -- but it's the other way. That is, he gave his word he'll never give Wilder a shot after he called him a cheat. Does he need to give him a shot? The legal promise was a clause that camp Fury says has expired. Such a clause cannot reasonably be expected to last forever, so I think we'll let the arbitrator decide that one.

Next point: a unique event. A genuinely unique event would be to fight Joshua for all 4 major HW belts. That has never happened before -- so it's the very definition of unique. Controversy is a subjective thing. There are many people -- myself included -- who see no controversy in his victory over Klitschko. I'm sure you disagree. And I'm sure if they fought again and Fury beat Wilder again there are zealots who would find something to complain about. Case in point: February 2020 Wilder fights an awful fight, Fury smack him around for 7 straight rounds and the fight is stopped by Wilder's own people. There is no controversy there apart from that manufactured by the losing side.

As for going out of his way to avoid a rematch -- they had a rematch and it was decisive.

My opinion -- and you can come back in the future and quote me on this -- if Wilder doesn't change a thing, it is the beginning of the end for him. If he goes on to scale new heights, I will be happy to eat my words. But I think not.