Having a belt doesn’t mean you deserve a big fight.

[elfag]

too many belts now, they are frequently vacated so you got guys fighting for a vacant belt, you get chit like paulie M a welterweight champ or chit like broner 4 division champ. its become a joke now

yeah haney got a belt, he aint ***ing beat anybody yet, who cares he got an ABC belt

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Haney and Loma got over because of who their promoters were. They both won the eliminator against ranked opponents.

If your point is some guys get made mandos that shouldn’t be- almost all of us regular, credible posters agree with you.

If your point is promoter hook ups are bad for the sport and they reward undeserving fighters- we agree.

However, you seem mad at Haney and not Loma and that doesn’t seem fair.

Loma avoided that fight and there is no justification for that.

You're a credible poster?

Lmfao. Youre about a good of a poster as you are a fighter tubby.

"Oh im 300lbs. Im two Teos. Im so gud"

-TheBigDunn 2020

Im still ****ing dying over here

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Haney and Loma got over because of who their promoters were. They both won the eliminator against ranked opponents.

If your point is some guys get made mandos that shouldn’t be- almost all of us regular, credible posters agree with you.

If your point is promoter hook ups are bad for the sport and they reward undeserving fighters- we agree.

However, you seem mad at Haney and not Loma and that doesn’t seem fair.

Loma avoided that fight and there is no justification for that.

Loma was a voluntary.

Haney was a mandatory.

Stop comparing the two, this isn’t about Loma...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I understand your frustration, and honestly I think that the "B-level" guys are an important part of the equation too.

For example, Richard Commey could have said "well Teofimo Lopez hasn't fought anyone" because plenty of fighters use that excuse to avoid threats

Fortunately, Commey took the fight and Teo took advantage of the opportunity to prove himself at a higher level

Andrade has mentioned taking a pay cut to face Billy Joe Saunders and I think that's a good idea since he needs a top opponent. If he can't get Saunders (who is in the running for Canelo) then I think Andrade should take his mandatory fight against Liam Williams.

Williams is another one of those "B-level" fighters and if Andrade destroys him then he has more grounds to say he's avoided if the top guys still don't look his way.

The Ryan Garcia-Luke Campbell winner is one of Haney's mandatories so that fight can happen if Garcia or Campbell wants it. If they too decide to use the "he hasn't fought anyone" excuse then Haney should fight his own "B-level" mandatory in Javier Fortuna.

Yeah I completely agree.

Andrade vs Saunders or even Williams is a clear step up in class from a the likes of Luke Keeler.

Haney vs either of them three are great step ups too.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lemieux has a better resume? Chavez?

Phuck outta here.

Lemieux has beat N’Dam and Curtis Stevens. At the very least that’s equal to Vanes and Culcay. Andrade’s best wins and way better than Haney’s.

JCC Jr has beaten Andy Lee, Marco Antonio Rubio, Duddy, Zbik etc. He definitely has a better resume than both.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

too many belts now, they are frequently vacated so you got guys fighting for a vacant belt, you get chit like paulie M a welterweight champ or chit like broner 4 division champ. its become a joke now

yeah haney got a belt, he aint ***ing beat anybody yet, who cares he got an ABC belt

Exactly bro.......

The belts no longer hold value.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The issue with this argument is that #1 still needs to fight too.

It's pretty lame hearing #1 say guys in the top 10 need to "earn" a fight with him while he fights guys outside the top 10 in the meantime.

Yeah they definitely do that’s also an issue, but #5 can’t fight #55 for a vacant title and expect to be able to demand a fight with #1.

[KingHippo]

Here’s a poignant example.

Frankie Randall who died recently was generally an avoided fighter. Didn’t get a world title shot until after his 50th fight.

He still fought Edwin Rosario twice, Pendleton twice, Aguilar. These guys are champions and they still aren’t fighting anyone.

Well, I'm looking at Pendleton, and he had an horrible record when Randall fought him. Couldn't have that high of a profile at that time. Randall also had a 83% KO percentage by the time he fought Rosario, so I'm guessing this was fighter people wanted to see.

Andrade could fight someone like Eubanks, sure. But how much can he afford to pay him, or someone like Dev? How big is a Andrade vs Dev fight anyway? Does it really raise his profile that much? Charlo just picked Dev apart in a great performance, what has it done for him?

[Roadblock]

That's the problem with all of these belts. It dilutes the value of a title. A lot of fighters don't even care about titles anymore. That's why they'll dump them if they are forced into a fight they don't want. They know they can pick up another one along the way in no time.

But you need them to allow top fighters an opportunity at a WT, when its one title its stifles the rest of the division and it makes it easier to avoid a dangerman.

[Marchegiano]

I’d give Derevyanchenko much more credibility than Andrade as he’s the guy who’s been in there with GGG, Jacob’s and Charlo and been very competitive in all three.

Resume is more important than titles to me. I honestly don’t really care who has the ABC’s these days. They’re so corrupt, and no longer truly reflect who the best fighters are in each weight class. I just look at who beat who these days.

Don't agree, but it's fair, can't hate on that.