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  • Mammoth
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    #21
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    Who had he beat at 160? He got his belt beating Centeno Jr.
    Yeah, so what? The standards are so high to fight Canelo and Golovkin how? He's not more interesting than Amir Khan or Kell Brook?

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      #22
      Christ, who did Golovkin beat to get his first title? How about Beterbiev or Bivol?

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        #23
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
        I’m getting sick of seeing fighters demanding big fights when they haven’t beaten anyone.

        Just cause you won a vacant title against Walter Katundowka or got a WBC title via email, that doesn’t automatically qualify you for a massive fight.

        I’ve seen guys like Haney and Andrade along with their fans claiming they’re avoided. You can’t be avoided if you don’t fight anyone!!!!

        Jermall Charlo for example got a gimme WBC belt but he went and defended against Derevyanchenko and now we’d love to see him face Canelo or GGG.

        Teofimo Lopez went and iced Richard Commey which made us interested in seeing him fight Lomachenko.

        I’m getting sick of seeing guys fight at C/D level then wanting to jump to elite level without proving themselves.

        Had to get that off my chest... rant over.
        I could have written this myself Well said

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          #24
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
          They should but there’s no value in them anymore.

          Can we really say Haney and Andrade are champions when we contextualise how they attained their titles?
          Maybe I'm lost a bit? I feel like that's the whole reason those boys should be keeping top dogs' names in their mouths.

          Belts being splintered takes away from everyone's credibility and the top boys should want to address that.

          I really don't give a **** if say 3G beats Derevyanchenko or some such. He needs to fight Andrade or Canelo. Or real, I don't even watch those meaningless tread water fights. Conversely Andrade needs Canelo or 3G, idgaf if he beats Derevyanchenko either. a guy like Derevyanchenko or Jr needs to keep yelling I want Andrade, Canelo, or 3G otherwise I give less ****s. Eubanks can whoop Derevyanchenko, idgaf, he needs Canelo, 3g, and Andrade.

          Haney has like 3 fights I'd watch. Fight Teo, Loma, or Davis. That's it, dgaf about him beating up Fortuna or some ****.

          Taylor-Ramirez or gtfo, dgaf.

          Pac-Spence-Bud, mix it up, or dgaf, **** Ugas.

          Charlo needs to get him that WBO

          Fury-Joshua, dgaf, still a wilder fan but dgaf.

          LHW russians need to do what ****ing obvious as ****...they're both russian ffs.

          I mean, I'd watch them. I always end up watching them, but, if Taylor's next opponent is not Ramirez and he fights on a card without another fight to draw me in or fights at an inconvenient time I'll watch that **** way later on YT or some such. Not stressing or buying live fights unless they're uni or undisputed.



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          • The Big Dunn
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            #25
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
            I’m getting sick of seeing fighters demanding big fights when they haven’t beaten anyone.

            Just cause you won a vacant title against Walter Katundowka or got a WBC title via email, that doesn’t automatically qualify you for a massive fight.

            I’ve seen guys like Haney and Andrade along with their fans claiming they’re avoided. You can’t be avoided if you don’t fight anyone!!!!

            Jermall Charlo for example got a gimme WBC belt but he went and defended against Derevyanchenko and now we’d love to see him face Canelo or GGG.

            Teofimo Lopez went and iced Richard Commey which made us interested in seeing him fight Lomachenko.

            I’m getting sick of seeing guys fight at C/D level then wanting to jump to elite level without proving themselves.

            Had to get that off my chest... rant over.
            If you’re the mando, you earned the title shot.

            You didn’t get upset when Loma got a title shot in his 2nd pro fight. He hadn’t beaten anyone of substance, he won an eliminator in his 1st fight.

            Now you complain about guys that haven’t defeated elite talent winning an eliminator and earning a title shot, same as Loma did.

            Is that really fair?
            Last edited by The Big Dunn; 12-29-2020, 02:36 PM.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Mammoth
              Yeah, so what? The standards are so high to fight Canelo and Golovkin how? He's not more interesting than Amir Khan or Kell Brook?
              If Canelo chose to face Charlo in 2018 or chose to fight Andrade next I wouldn’t have a problem with it. I’m just sick of fighters acting as if they’re entitled to these big fights when they haven’t beaten anyone. That’s my issue.

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              • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                #27
                Originally posted by Mammoth
                Christ, who did Golovkin beat to get his first title? How about Beterbiev or Bivol?
                You’ve missed the point man.

                GGG had beaten multiple top 10 guys before he got the mega fight against Canelo.

                Beterbiev and Bivol haven’t had a massive fight yet.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                  If you’re the mando, you earned the title shot.
                  So Trevor Bryan should fight AJ next...

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                  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by rudy
                    I could have written this myself Well said
                    I’m getting so sick of it man, all these guys talk like they’ve achieved great things and deserve this and that when in reality they’ve beaten nobody.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Marchegiano
                      Maybe I'm lost a bit? I feel like that's the whole reason those boys should be keeping top dogs' names in their mouths.

                      Belts being splintered takes away from everyone's credibility and the top boys should want to address that.

                      I really don't give a **** if say 3G beats Derevyanchenko or some such. He needs to fight Andrade or Canelo. Or real, I don't even watch those meaningless tread water fights. Conversely Andrade needs Canelo or 3G, idgaf if he beats Derevyanchenko either. a guy like Derevyanchenko or Jr needs to keep yelling I want Andrade, Canelo, or 3G otherwise I give less ****s. Eubanks can whoop Derevyanchenko, idgaf, he needs Canelo, 3g, and Andrade.

                      Haney has like 3 fights I'd watch. Fight Teo, Loma, or Davis. That's it, dgaf about him beating up Fortuna or some ****.

                      Taylor-Ramirez or gtfo, dgaf.

                      Pac-Spence-Bud, mix it up, or dgaf, **** Ugas.

                      Charlo needs to get him that WBO

                      Fury-Joshua, dgaf, still a wilder fan but dgaf.

                      LHW russians need to do what ****ing obvious as ****...they're both russian ffs.

                      I mean, I'd watch them. I always end up watching them, but, if Taylor's next opponent is not Ramirez and he fights on a card without another fight to draw me in or fights at an inconvenient time I'll watch that **** way later on YT or some such. Not stressing or buying live fights unless they're uni or undisputed.



                      I’d give Derevyanchenko much more credibility than Andrade as he’s the guy who’s been in there with GGG, Jacob’s and Charlo and been very competitive in all three.

                      Resume is more important than titles to me. I honestly don’t really care who has the ABC’s these days. They’re so corrupt, and no longer truly reflect who the best fighters are in each weight class. I just look at who beat who these days.

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