More Skilled Floyd Jr or Ray Leonard

[Legends456]

Greatest fighter Floyd defeated was manny

Greatest fighter Ray Leonard defeated was Duran

Ray Leonard needed two tries because Duran is better than manny. Floyd got manny by a wide margin

Anyways between Floyd and Ray Leonard who more skilled

I’d have to say SRL. He was every bit as athletic and smart as Floyd, but he also had terrifying combinations and power. The only fighter I’ve seen in my lifetime (mid 30’s) that compares with SRL is Terence Crawford (not ready to say just yet he’s on SRL’s level, just saying he’s the only guy I’ve seen fight that style successfully).

And watch how he best Durán in the rematch, that was Floyd level defensive strategy so we know he could play that game. Also went toe to toe with one of the baddest men in boxing history in the first fight, didn’t get knocked out and almost actually had a shot. Also beat the legendary Hagler, equally scary and one of my favorites of all time.

Mayweather was great, but SRL was better and could do more and fight multiple styles successfully. And as for resumes, not to take anything away from Pac or Mayweather, but the Four Kings were on another level, and they didn’t wait till their twighlight years to fight each other.

[GrandpaBernard]

What are you ******ed.

You start a thread topic asking who is more skilled between Srl and Floyd.

You say a past prime Manny is Floyd's best win when it is clearly not. Plenty of lists put prime undefeated Hatton over Manny but I understand you gotta save face.

You say Srl needed two tries to beat Duran because Duran is better than Manny, which doesn't make any sense at all.

It's obvious you want to make a case for Floyd being more skilled than Ray, but after a dose of the truth, it's back to overexaggerating one of the most lackluster wins on the resume next to Carlos Baldimir.

djdipsh1at glued to poo crying about what Floyd did to manny

Another one of your lies past prime manny is about as good as Baldomir

No point discussing with djdipsh1at the liar who can’t read

[GrandpaBernard]

I’d have to say SRL. He was every bit as athletic and smart as Floyd, but he also had terrifying combinations and power. The only fighter I’ve seen in my lifetime (mid 30’s) that compares with SRL is Terence Crawford.

And watch how he best Durán in the rematch, that was Floyd level defensive strategy so we know he could play that game. Also went toe to toe with one of the baddest men in boxing history in the first fight, didn’t get knocked out and almost actually had a shot. Also beat the legendary Hagler, equally scary and one of my favorites of all time.

Mayweather was great, but SRL was better and could do more and fight multiple styles successfully.

why love Terence so much

You praise SRL for the greats he beat but Terence hasn’t even faced a single HOF

[Legends456]

why love Terence so much

You praise SRL for the greats he beat but Terence hasn’t even faced a single HOF

That’s why I edited my comment. I changed it to say I don’t think Crawford is necessarily on SRL’s level, only he can fight that style which is saying something in itself.

Agree, Crawford (I think) has the skill to beat some ATG’s, but if he doesn’t get the right fights soon enough, he won’t have the legacy to back it up.

[djtmal]

So besides all your crying and whining what it is it your actually trying to say, Ray got a lot of rubbish in his resume, Tommy got beat and hurt many times by average fighters, Hagler also had many weak spots in his resume, there is not a resume in existence that cant be deflated, the bottom line is the very best of any era will hold their own with the very best of any era from about 1940 on.

Youre into the hype of it all, the boxing says there is very little between them, probably size is the biggest variable, you live of the romance of history and badly underestimate the best of the next or current eras , believe me there is very little between ATGs.

You can shape your little narrative to make a case for Floyd being more skilled than Srl any way you please, but the ultimate litmus test will always be with the skills they possess, who they beat, and when they beat them. Again, Ray embarrasses Floyd. Totally s**ts on him.

It's funny and sad at the same time to see you guys come up with every excuse to make Floyd the goat, when all he had to do was beat the best guys at their best.

[SweetPbfAli]

Manny was shut down, first right hand counter Manny became shy to fully engage because he was being off footed and counted, he couldn't do anything or get anything going so he basically shelled up and Floyd just cruised for a easy UD.

Sadly, Floyd didn't even have to leave 1st gear in that fight.

In 2010, a younger and more reckless Manny would've definitely forced Floyd to open up more.

[djtmal]

djdipsh1at glued to poo crying about what Floyd did to manny

Another one of your lies past prime manny is about as good as Baldomir

No point discussing with djdipsh1at the liar who can’t read

Ok we know you are a lost cause if you think beating a shopworn Manny Pacquiao puts Floyd ahead of Srl skillwise.

[djtmal]

Sorry, Floyd Mayweather, Ray Leonard was a better 147-pounder than you were
Michael Rosenthal | June 28, 2020 8:50 pm
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Floyd Mayweather recently expressed his frustration on a FightHype.com video after someone suggested that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better welterweight than he was.

One of the arguments Mayweather used in pleading his case: “How can you have a guy ranked No. 1 when his first loss was to a lightweight, Roberto Duran?”

Think about that for a second. Mayweather dismissed Duran as “a lightweight.”

Well, first of all, Duran arguably was the greatest lightweight who ever lived. Two, he wasn’t a lightweight when he fought Leonard. That was his ninth fight at welterweight or heavier. And, three, it was Roberto-Freakin-Duran.


I’m shaking my head.

In my opinion, Mayweather was not as good a 147-pounder as Leonard. At the very least, he didn’t prove it if he was.

Mayweather was 12-0 (3 KOs) as a welterweight. His best victories: Manny Pacquiao, Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley.

Leonard was 26-1 (18 KOs) as a 147-pounder. His best victories: Thomas Hearns, Duran (in the “no mas” rematch) and Wilfredo Benitez.

All six of those opponents are or will be in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But there’s a difference. Let’s take a look at each opponent.


Pacquiao (UD 12) – The 2015 victory over the Filipino star carries weight – particularly in light of his recent victory over Keith Thurman – but the fact is Pacquiao, 36, was past his prime when Mayweather outpointed him. That fight should’ve happened five years earlier.

Plus, if you believe Pacquiao, he fought with an injured shoulder. And, if Mayweather is going to call Duran a lightweight, I’ll call Pacquiao a natural 140-pounder. He’s still a small welterweight.

Marquez (UD 12) – Mayweather criticizes those who suggest that Marquez was too small for him given the fact he knocked out Pacquiao at welterweight three years later.

Now I’m scratching my head.

The fact is that Marquez never fought above 135 pounds and was a 126-pounder only six fights earlier when he met Mayweather. Everyone knew at the time that fighting even at a catch weight of 144 was asking too much of the 36-year-old Mexican.

Mosley (UD 12) – Mayweather points out that Mosley was coming off a sensational knockout victory over Antonio Margarito. True. But what Mayweather fails to mention is that Mosley was 38 and had been out of the ring for 16 months when they met.

Also, a quick glance at Mosley’s record indicates he was in decline. He never won another important fight and, including the Mayeather loss, he was 3-5-1 to finish his career.

Now a look at Leonard’s opponents.

Hearns (TKO 14) – The lean, but powerful “Hit Man” was young, not quite 23, but had built a reputation as an unusually dangerous boxer-puncher. He was 32-0, with 30 knockouts, when he met Leonard for the first time. This version of Hearns was an absolute monster.

Duran (TKO 8) – Say what you want about Duran’s natural size. He was one of the best ever to lace up gloves and was only 29 for the rematch with Leonard, who, instead of brawling with Duran as he had in the first fight, boxed circles around him until he quit.

Benitez (TKO 15) – The superb boxer from Puerto Rico made history when he upset the great Antonio Cervantes to win a 140-pound title at 17 years old. He was only 21 and at his peak when Leonard outboxed and then stopped him.

And please note: Leonard not only beat the three legends mentioned above in only a 22-month period, he stopped all three!


I’m not sure if a prime Mayweather would’ve beaten any of the three. Hearns’ style was all wrong for Mayweather. The only way to beat Hearns was to hurt him and that wasn’t Mayweather’s strength. Jose Luis Castillo and Marcos Maidana gave Mayweather problems with aggression. Can you image what Duran would’ve thrown at him? And Benitez was good enough to give anyone in history problems.

This column isn’t meant to demean Mayweather’s accomplishments. Honestly. I believe strongly that he was the best fighter of his era, which means he’s one of the best fighters of all time.

His resume at 147 pounds simply doesn’t stack up against that of Sugar-Freakin-Ray Leonard. There certainly isn’t any shame in that.

[djtmal]

djdipsh1at glued to poo crying about what Floyd did to manny

Another one of your lies past prime manny is about as good as Baldomir

No point discussing with djdipsh1at the liar who can’t read

Go start a thread to see who is better skillwise between Floyd and McGregor, or the Japanese kickboxer.

[abracada]

Unique way of looking at it

Had Floyd winning very comfortably, but they both showed too much respect to each other

If pacquiao went all in and out on his shield it would have made Floyd’s win even much bigger.

Pac-Man was too defensive and gun shy, was expecting him to go all out from round 1 pretty much like how Maidana did it.