Canelo is the most overrated boxer ever

[BoxingIsGreat]

The biggest hypejobs in boxing were GGG and Loma. Now it seems like they don't matter.

[moochi]

He's like Lance Armstrong with the PEDs, excellent timing and also not even testing for many fights, soo obvious with the last minute scheduling after coming off cycle...and he still loses half of his fights.

[Bandman]

I thought GGG won both fights.I thought he won 8 rounds to 4 the first fight and won 7 rounds to 6 ln the 2nd fight. Canelo gets the generous scoring in Vegas. In the 2nd fight Canelo was 27 years old and GGG was 36 years old. That is a big youth advantage for Canelo. I think Canelo is a great fighter now but I think GGG was a better fighter just not as popular. The prime GGG KOed 22 top 10 contenders or champions in a row. Nobody else fighting today can match that.

[#1PaperChamp]

He's a highly skilled boxer who also willing to learn and he has improved every aspect of his game. He lost the first GGG fight imo but I was very impressed with the way he bounced back in the rematch, that win took his career to the next level. Win, lose or draw he's a bad-ass fighter and I have a lot of respect for the ginger.

Agreed

I thought GGG won both fights.I thought he won 8 rounds to 4 the first fight and won 7 rounds to 6 ln the 2nd fight. Canelo gets the generous scoring in Vegas. In the 2nd fight Canelo was 27 years old and GGG was 36 years old. That is a big youth advantage for Canelo. I think Canelo is a great fighter now but I think GGG was a better fighter just not as popular. The prime GGG KOed 22 top 10 contenders or champions in a row. Nobody else fighting today can match that.

You have any white fighter up 4-0 when they're facing a minority before the fight begins. We know you had Borat winning both fights. Probably by stoppage, too

Kid says Borat beat Canelo 7 rounds to 6...this Fox News white supremacist is so lost.

[Boxing-1013]

Agreed



You have any white fighter up 4-0 when they're facing a minority before the fight begins. We know you had Borat winning both fights. Probably by stoppage, too

Kid says Borat beat Canelo 7 rounds to 6...this Fox News white supremacist is so lost.

How did you score both fights?

[Boxing-1013]

It's really an interesting situation

On one hand - I think Canelo's only real flaw as a boxer, is his lack of stamina/workrate, and maybe lack of elite foot speed. But he has great reflexes, quickness, combo punching, power, defense, chin. He has no real big holes. His talent is legit.

However - on the other hand - there are questions about how legitimate his talent is, as far as the PEDs go. A lot of guys are probably doping, I imagine. You do just feel like Canelo has access to better stuff, or different rules by which he has to abide by.

And then you have the judging in some of his fights. The Trout open scoring, the Lara fight was close, GGG fights, Jacobs was competitive, Kovalev scoring before the KO. You just feel like Canelo has a very low bar to clear as far as getting a round in a fight.

That also makes it easier for him to take certain fights. When you know you don't have to excel to win rounds, it makes it easy to take on certain fights. You know a 7-5 loss will be a 7-5 or 8-4 win for you. It frees you up in the ring, and out of the ring, as far as what matchups you can make.

And then there is some of the weight stuff. He had his own weight class for some odd reason. He has put some odd clauses on opponents too.

I think his talent is legit. But I think he has had a lot of 'help' to get to the status he is currently at. To be fair, most big stars end up getting that help for whatever reason. Stars get the cards, and make the rules. Always been that way.

[sicko]

Fight Week! Let the Canelo Hate Pour In!

[#1PaperChamp]

How did you score both fights?

6-6 and 7-5 for Canelo, as the judges did. 1st fight could've been 7-5 for GGG as it was a close fight and 2nd fight could've been 6-6- as it was a close fight.

That's why they're classics...because they were that close. What I won't do is spew some literal GGG fantasy nonsense where he wins everything included all fantasy fights based on...NOTHING.

GGG has a HORRIFIC resume. He avoided the Canelo fight in his "prime". He offered Gabe Rosado a CW but then refused Canelo one, why? What a horrible decision.

I thought he drew with Jacobs and the KD was the deciding factor but it could've gone either way. Of course no rematch.

Dervenchenko won.

Outside of those fights GGG has a career of Vanes, Rolls, Szermata, and a literal laundry list of part-time European boxers.

Yet I'm supposed to rate GGG alongside Hagler because Breadman has some sparring stories? Floyd beat up Pernell Whittaker when he was 16 years old. Do you really think 16 year old Floyd beats Pernell in a pro fight? Sparring is sparring and Bread seems like a smart fella but he's not much as a trainer despite pretending to know everything. So, like everyone else, his opinion is just an opinion. I don't rate GGG among ATG MWs. He had a narrow chance of ever being an ATG MW because he stayed amateur too long, but it could've happened:

Fight and beat Canelo at 155-157 in 2015

Beat Jacobs a little bit more clearly

Beat Dervenchenko in any fashion

Stop dragging literal bums from their jobs at WalMart and fight real challengers...Ward wanted some, Lara wanted the fight, BJS, Andrade, and Charlo all wanted the fight. Choosing Szermata over Canelo 3???

This is just MY OPINION but I strongly disagree with the consensus here. GGG is a very good contemporary champion. Even if you had Canelo winning both GGG fights they were 7-5 at best. That means for everything Canelo accomplishes its a testament to how good GGG is.

With that being said Canelo is a fringe ATG. He's great for boxing because he fights anyone and has an entertaining style but I don't see Canelo ever being among the true greats...Floyd completely outclassed (a green) Canelo but so did Lara (who is no ATG) and many other fighters have won 3, 4, and 5 rounds against Canelo.

I like GGG's style - what's not to like - but I don't like the person and as a boxer he left a lot to be desired. He took the easy way out almost every time and was a cry baby.

When GGG got favorable judging against Jacobs and Dervenchenko he didn't even speak on it and just moved on. When he got unfavorable judging in 1st Canelo fight he cried like a little girl and wanted the whole world to help pressure Canelo into a rematch. Then he cried after that fight too and the judging was fine in the rematch...hell GGG picked those judges.

It's only a problem when it doesn't benefit GGG...and I don't fuck with that kind of reasoning

[TonyGe]

I thought GGG won both fights.I thought he won 8 rounds to 4 the first fight and won 7 rounds to 6 ln the 2nd fight. Canelo gets the generous scoring in Vegas. In the 2nd fight Canelo was 27 years old and GGG was 36 years old. That is a big youth advantage for Canelo. I think Canelo is a great fighter now but I think GGG was a better fighter just not as popular. The prime GGG KOed 22 top 10 contenders or champions in a row. Nobody else fighting today can match that.

Yeah that's how I see it also.

[Boxing-1013]

6-6 and 7-5 for Canelo, as the judges did. 1st fight could've been 7-5 for GGG as it was a close fight and 2nd fight could've been 6-6- as it was a close fight.

That's why they're classics...because they were that close. What I won't do is spew some literal GGG fantasy nonsense where he wins everything included all fantasy fights based on...NOTHING.

GGG has a HORRIFIC resume. He avoided the Canelo fight in his "prime". He offered Gabe Rosado a CW but then refused Canelo one, why? What a horrible decision.

I thought he drew with Jacobs and the KD was the deciding factor but it could've gone either way. Of course no rematch.

Dervenchenko won.

Outside of those fights GGG has a career of Vanes, Rolls, Szermata, and a literal laundry list of part-time European boxers.

Yet I'm supposed to rate GGG alongside Hagler because Breadman has some sparring stories? Floyd beat up Pernell Whittaker when he was 16 years old. Do you really think 16 year old Floyd beats Pernell in a pro fight? Sparring is sparring and Bread seems like a smart fella but he's not much as a trainer despite pretending to know everything. So, like everyone else, his opinion is just an opinion. I don't rate GGG among ATG MWs. He had a narrow chance of ever being an ATG MW because he stayed amateur too long, but it could've happened:

Fight and beat Canelo at 155-157 in 2015

Beat Jacobs a little bit more clearly

Beat Dervenchenko in any fashion

Stop dragging literal bums from their jobs at WalMart and fight real challengers...Ward wanted some, Lara wanted the fight, BJS, Andrade, and Charlo all wanted the fight. Choosing Szermata over Canelo 3???

This is just MY OPINION but I strongly disagree with the consensus here. GGG is a very good contemporary champion. Even if you had Canelo winning both GGG fights they were 7-5 at best. That means for everything Canelo accomplishes its a testament to how good GGG is.

With that being said Canelo is a fringe ATG. He's great for boxing because he fights anyone and has an entertaining style but I don't see Canelo ever being among the true greats...Floyd completely outclassed (a green) Canelo but so did Lara (who is no ATG) and many other fighters have won 3, 4, and 5 rounds against Canelo.

I like GGG's style - what's not to like - but I don't like the person and as a boxer he left a lot to be desired. He took the easy way out almost every time and was a cry baby.

When GGG got favorable judging against Jacobs and Dervenchenko he didn't even speak on it and just moved on. When he got unfavorable judging in 1st Canelo fight he cried like a little girl and wanted the whole world to help pressure Canelo into a rematch. Then he cried after that fight too and the judging was fine in the rematch...hell GGG picked those judges.

It's only a problem when it doesn't benefit GGG...and I don't fuck with that kind of reasoning

I don't think he got favorable judging vs Danny. Two judges had it 7-5 and one 6-6. I think Harold Lederman had it 6-6. But I thought the first 10 rounds were easy to score.

1 - knick GGG
2- knick Danny
3 - clearest so far - GGG
4 - 5 - clear GGG
6 - pretty clear Danny
7 - close
8 - GGG
9 - GGG
10 - Danny

The fight was over after 9 rounds. Round 11 was close, you split that with round 7. Puts it at 7-4 going into the 12th. A lot of people think round 12 was GGG's, but I thought it was close. Round 12s are always tough for me to score because most times it is all heart from both guys which is hard to separate.

I do think he got good cards against Sergei. I could see 7-5 GGG or 7-5 Sergei. GGG got 3 7-5 cards. I think he knows he got good cards there. He knows that was a tough fight.

I don't agree with a lot of your other points. GGG has sh.it to critique - but a lot of the stuff listed by you, and others, is like fan fiction nonsense.

Fair to get on him for not stopping once Danny, Sergei, or Canelo in those 4 fights. Fair to say he could have performed better in those 4 fights if he is to be as highly considered as some make him out to be. Someone could counter that he was older, and that he still performed pretty well - both are fair arguments. People can have differences of opinion.

I think the rest of his resume was solid enough. Most fighters, even greats, have slip ups when you have 10-15 fights against solid pro fighters. GGG never had any against the other guys, all dominant wins. That is impressive to me. Compare it to anyone you want, most guys all-time can't say that.

I can't comment on what Bread said about him - I do think it's fair to list GGG up there with other greats at MW. At least to list him in the matchups and talk about how it would go. He wouldn't be an easy fight for anyone all-time at 160 imo