What's wrong with my P4P list?

[blowblow]

just remove loma.. somebody surely get butt hurt with your list especially at the top spot. but for me it's a good list.

[Marchegiano]

you wrote jermall but its jermell who fights at 154 and his resume isnt that good. he went 1-1 against an unranked guy and then beat a one win wonder guy who ko'd mr glass williams but besides that he was ko'd by gallimore, draw with mark hernandez? and a split decision vs cota? very opportunistic matchmaking there

**** man anyone who can keep those names straight deserves some green

[boliodogs]

1. Pacquiao (resume wise he's head and shoulders above. just beat a top dog Thurman as an old man underdog. Current beltholder.)

2. Canelo (second best resume. beat supposed "ducked" opponents like Lara and GGG. the real Mr. 160-175)

3. Crawford (undisputed. beat supposed "ducked" opponent like Postol. beat the man who beat the man at 147.)

4. Usyk (undisputed. Greatest CW ever next to Evander.)

5. Spence (best resume of top dogs at 147. gave Danny Garcia his clearest loss to date. ducked by Thurman for 4+ years. won his belt on enemy territory.)

6. Fury (lineal champ. destroyed Wilder.)

7. Teofimo (whooped on ESPN's greatest boxer ever Lomachenko as a green fighter.)

8. AJ (best resume at heavyweight. 2-time world champ.)

9. Jermall (top dog at 154. nobody beats him.)

10. Loma (still top ten based on resume.)

Since you asked what is wrong with your list I'll tell you what I think. First everyone has a right to their own pfp list arranged anyway they want so your list is perfect. But Pac is not on my top 10 because he is 41, miles past prime, and beating today's Thurman is no big deal. i think both Crawford and Spence beat him.No heavyweights are on my list because they don't fight as well pound for pound as many lighter fighters. Usyk was on my list when he fought at cruiserweight but not now as a heavyweight. My P4P is based on the weight class the boxer fights at now and not the weight class he used to fight in, Usyk is fighting as a heavyweight and he is not so good as a heavyweight and does not make my list. Canelo is on my list but not as high as you have him. Inoue is my number 1 and spence is my number 2. Both Charlo brothers are on my list toward the bottom and I think Teo Lopez and Loma are about right where you rank them.

[Willy Wanker]

1. Pacquiao (resume wise he's head and shoulders above. just beat a top dog Thurman as an old man underdog. Current beltholder.)

2. Canelo (second best resume. beat supposed "ducked" opponents like Lara and GGG. the real Mr. 160-175)

3. Crawford (undisputed. beat supposed "ducked" opponent like Postol. beat the man who beat the man at 147.)

4. Usyk (undisputed. Greatest CW ever next to Evander.)

5. Spence (best resume of top dogs at 147. gave Danny Garcia his clearest loss to date. ducked by Thurman for 4+ years. won his belt on enemy territory.)

6. Fury (lineal champ. destroyed Wilder.)

7. Teofimo (whooped on ESPN's greatest boxer ever Lomachenko as a green fighter.)

8. AJ (best resume at heavyweight. 2-time world champ.)

9. Jermall (top dog at 154. nobody beats him.)

10. Loma (still top ten based on resume.)

Good, respectable list.

My problem with Pac as #1 is that he wouldn't be the favorite against Crawford or Spence for a reason which is him being old and past his best.

I know p4p is not literally a head to head comparison and it's all hypothetical and disregards weight classes, but when you have multiple guys in the same weight class on the p4p list, a head to head approach is acceptable.

If someone is the #1 p4p guy, he is THE man and should be the favorite against anyone in his weight class. I'd personally have Pac in the middle or towards the bottom. If this was an all-time great list for current fighters, then Pac is #1 no question.

No other complaints, but I'd probably swap out Charlo for Inoue. Loma still deserves to be on the list like you said.

[boliodogs]

I forgot to say light heavyweights Beterbiev and Bivol are on my top 10 P4P list toward the bottom.

[ShaneMosleySr]

If you look at the history of credible pound for pound lists, the dominant fighter always outranks a more accomplished fighter who has had close fights.

For example, at the end of 1999, Ring Magazine had Roy Jones ranked as it’s number one pound for pound fighter, followed by Floyd Mayweather and then Felix Trinidad.

Floyd Mayweather had barely been a pro for three years at that time. He didn’t have a better resume than Felix Trinidad.

Trinidad had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Oba Carr, Yory Boy Campus and Hector Camacho.

But Mayweather was completely dominant. Trinidad wasn’t.

Trinidad and Jones had comparable resumes. But Jones was completely dominant and Trinidad wasn’t. So that plus his resume made Jones the clear choice at number one.

Ring Magazine then had a discussion about number two and picked Mayweather over Trinidad. Trinidad clearly had the resume, Mayweather was dominant.

I can literally pick any year at random and point out to you how credible pound for pound lists are structured that way.

****ing gorgeous man. Love that you gave explanations too.





I'm not prompting to argue, I won't "teach" you anything, I'm just curious; what makes you say p4p is about dominance? Where did you get that?

[Jefferson Jazzw]

1. Pacquiao (resume wise he's head and shoulders above. just beat a top dog Thurman as an old man underdog. Current beltholder.)

2. Canelo (second best resume. beat supposed "ducked" opponents like Lara and GGG. the real Mr. 160-175)

3. Crawford (undisputed. beat supposed "ducked" opponent like Postol. beat the man who beat the man at 147.)

4. Usyk (undisputed. Greatest CW ever next to Evander.)

5. Spence (best resume of top dogs at 147. gave Danny Garcia his clearest loss to date. ducked by Thurman for 4+ years. won his belt on enemy territory.)

6. Fury (lineal champ. destroyed Wilder.)

7. Teofimo (whooped on ESPN's greatest boxer ever Lomachenko as a green fighter.)

8. AJ (best resume at heavyweight. 2-time world champ.)

9. Jermall (top dog at 154. nobody beats him.)

10. Loma (still top ten based on resume.)

Hold this neg idiot

[Marchegiano]

If you look at the history of credible pound for pound lists, the dominant fighter always outranks a more accomplished fighter who has had close fights.

For example, at the end of 1999, Ring Magazine had Roy Jones ranked as it’s number one pound for pound fighter, followed by Floyd Mayweather and then Felix Trinidad.

Floyd Mayweather had barely been a pro for three years at that time. He didn’t have a better resume than Felix Trinidad.

Trinidad had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Oba Carr, Yory Boy Campus and Hector Camacho.

But Mayweather was completely dominant. Trinidad wasn’t.

Trinidad and Jones had comparable resumes. But Jones was completely dominant and Trinidad wasn’t. So that plus his resume made Jones the clear choice at number one.

Ring Magazine then had a discussion about number two and picked Mayweather over Trinidad. Trinidad clearly had the resume, Mayweather was dominant.

I can literally pick any year at random and point out to you how credible pound for pound lists are structured that way.

Quality man, I appreciate it.

[boliodogs]

If you look at the history of credible pound for pound lists, the dominant fighter always outranks a more accomplished fighter who has had close fights.

For example, at the end of 1999, Ring Magazine had Roy Jones ranked as it’s number one pound for pound fighter, followed by Floyd Mayweather and then Felix Trinidad.

Floyd Mayweather had barely been a pro for three years at that time. He didn’t have a better resume than Felix Trinidad.

Trinidad had wins over Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Oba Carr, Yory Boy Campus and Hector Camacho.

But Mayweather was completely dominant. Trinidad wasn’t.

Trinidad and Jones had comparable resumes. But Jones was completely dominant and Trinidad wasn’t. So that plus his resume made Jones the clear choice at number one.

Ring Magazine then had a discussion about number two and picked Mayweather over Trinidad. Trinidad clearly had the resume, Mayweather was dominant.

I can literally pick any year at random and point out to you how credible pound for pound lists are structured that way.

All P4P lists are just opinion and not provable fact.

[boliodogs]

Good, respectable list.

My problem with Pac as #1 is that he wouldn't be the favorite against Crawford or Spence for a reason which is him being old and past his best.

I know p4p is not literally a head to head comparison and it's all hypothetical and disregards weight classes, but when you have multiple guys in the same weight class on the p4p list, a head to head approach is acceptable.

If someone is the #1 p4p guy, he is THE man and should be the favorite against anyone in his weight class. I'd personally have Pac in the middle or towards the bottom. If this was an all-time great list for current fighters, then Pac is #1 no question.

No other complaints, but I'd probably swap out Charlo for Inoue. Loma still deserves to be on the list like you said.

I agree with this. If fighters are fighting in the same weight class the fighter you think would beat the other top fighter in the same weight class should be higher up the list. Since I believe Spence and Crawford both beat Pac today I rank them both higher up the P4P best list.