Comments Thread For: Arum Stands By Crawford Comments, Disinterested in Promoting His Fights

[-Kev-]

No, Crawford's last PPV sold around 120-125k buys.

And Garcia by no metric is a bigger name than Spence. They were pretty much on equal grounds going into their fight and Spence has elevated far past him. If Mikey was such a bigger name, than his gate in his following fight vs Vargas would have been bigger and Spence wouldn't have sold the amount of PPVs he did against Porter.

Predicting a buy rate of 400,000 is nothing crazy for Spence vs Crawford. Those two wanting 10M is also perfectly reasonable. Now, if one was making say 20M, then the other expecting 10M would be a no go from the start. Then there is no way you can make up for their purses. But 10M a piece? No problem!

You’re underestimating the covid pandemic. Live gate takes a hit, PPV buys take a hit, closed circuits take a hit.

Who is paying these 10 of millions of dollars to Spence, Crawford, ESPN, Showtime, Top Rank, PBC?

Who is going to buy this PPV? What 400k people will buy it?

Check out the unemployment rates for 2020 so far:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

White: 6.0%
Asians: 7.6%
Latino: 8.8%
Black: 10.8%

Do you know which states have the worse unemployment rates? The one’s with the biggest boxing markets. NY, Nevada, CA, TX, they are among the top 15 in unemployment right now.

A good unemployment rate is 3.5%-4.5%. The majority race, White, in the US, have a 6% unemployment rate and they have the best chance at finding a job. So it’s pretty bad right now.

[KTFOKING]

You’re underestimating the covid pandemic. Live gate takes a hit, PPV buys take a hit, closed circuits take a hit.

Who is paying these 10 of millions of dollars to Spence, Crawford, ESPN, Showtime, Top Rank, PBC?

Who is going to buy this PPV? What 400k people will buy it?

Check out the unemployment rates for 2020 so far:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

White: 6.0%
Asians: 7.6%
Latino: 8.8%
Black: 10.8%

Do you know which states have the worse unemployment rates? The one’s with the biggest boxing markets. NY, Nevada, CA, TX, they are among the top 15 in unemployment right now.

A good unemployment rate is 3.5%-4.5%. The majority race, White, in the US, have a 6% unemployment rate and they have the best chance at finding a job. So it’s pretty bad right now.

All this isn't necessary to be honest.

Hitting 400k can happen even during these times. Davis vs LSC just did anywhere from 200-225k buys.

They can hold 15-17k at the Dallas Cowboys stadium and they can get a 3M gate without much problems. I mean Arum is saying without the pandemic, there would be a 7M gate.

I mean what exactly are you asking about who is paying for the fight? In this scenario it would be a co-promotion between FOX/ESPN and PBC/TR.

[-Kev-]

All this isn't necessary to be honest.

Hitting 400k can happen even during these times. Davis vs LSC just did anywhere from 200-225k buys.

They can hold 15-17k at the Dallas Cowboys stadium and they can get a 3M gate without much problems. I mean Arum is saying without the pandemic, there would be a 7M gate.

I mean what exactly are you asking about who is paying for the fight? In this scenario it would be a co-promotion between FOX/ESPN and PBC/TR.

200-250k is low for them. They could have done better in a non-covid affected PPV.

LSC is Mexican-American, again, he has a whole country of supporters plus Mexican-American support.

Gervonta Davis is a very controversial character out-of-the-ring and a KO artist inside the ring. He is also advertised by Floyd Mayweather Jr on his social media, which he has 7.8 million followers.

The top 3 active boxers on twitter (by followers) are:

Anthony Joshua: 3.1mill
Manny Pacquiao: 2.6mill
Tyson Fury: 1.6mill

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s 7.8million followers are more followers than the top 3 active boxers combined. This is who promotes and advertises Davis.

[tritium_arma]

You’re underestimating the covid pandemic. Live gate takes a hit, PPV buys take a hit, closed circuits take a hit.

Who is paying these 10 of millions of dollars to Spence, Crawford, ESPN, Showtime, Top Rank, PBC?

Who is going to buy this PPV? What 400k people will buy it?

Check out the unemployment rates for 2020 so far:

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

White: 6.0%
Asians: 7.6%
Latino: 8.8%
Black: 10.8%

Do you know which states have the worse unemployment rates? The one’s with the biggest boxing markets. NY, Nevada, CA, TX, they are among the top 15 in unemployment right now.

A good unemployment rate is 3.5%-4.5%. The majority race, White, in the US, have a 6% unemployment rate and they have the best chance at finding a job. So it’s pretty bad right now.

UFC ppvs are doing fine. The boxing PPVs just suck ass at the moment or noone’s a star.

[-Kev-]

UFC ppvs are doing fine. The boxing PPVs just suck ass at the moment or noone’s a star.

The top names of UFC are headlining those PPV's.

Canelo does great PPV numbers. So does Joshua.

You also have to put into perspective that the new guard are coming up in boxing. The old boxers are exiting, the new boxers are just now making a name for themselves. UFC PPV's still have veterans fighting in them.

Mayweather is gone.
Pacquiao hasn't fought in a while.
Cotto is gone.

In boxing right now you have rising stars who are building their names. Teofimo Lopez, Ryan Garcia, Gervonta Davis. We will see them for another decade. They will not get max exposure until about 2-3 years from now.

Then you have the "older" top boxing stars like Canelo, Joshua, Fury. They all have like 2-4 years left in them.

Boxing is in a transition right now.

In the end, Spence and Crawford aren't part of that. Crawford took easy fights for too long, now he's 33 years old and ready to cash out, and nobody cares about his mediocre fights anymore. Spence is 30 and still ******, damn near killing himself and putting a halt to his momentum by drunk driving. Despite that, Spence does still have a chance at becoming a moderate star, better chance than Crawford.

Crawford's next fight should be vs Shawn Porter or Vergil Ortiz Jr, but we will instead see him probably versus Michael McKinson or Jaron Ennis, or maybe Sergiy Lipinits, or maybe even Custio Clayton. If we get really lucky we might see Crawford vs a blown up LW, Mikey Garcia.

[OldTerry]

What Arum said sounds like straight talk to me. He is saying that professional fighting is a Business with the primary objective being everyone makes their fair share. Doesn't matter who the fighters are or how good they are. If the fight is a loss leader then from a business case perspective it's a non-starter. Everyone involved needs to lower their expectations if they want to stay in the business.

[Mooshashi]

Yesterday he was lying, today he's telling the truth.

[OldTerry]

Crawford isn’t helping himself by sitting on a contract for two weeks without signing it and not getting that promotional boost during the Loma fight. Bob has been doing this a long time. He knows how to promote fighters and fights. But the game has changed during COVID, and without that gate money or closed circuit money this is a hard fight to meet their salary demands.

Given the current economic realities perhaps the fighters need to adjust their demands and face the real world just like the rest of us.

[OldTerry]

Pacquiao had one the worst contracts in decades under Arum. This generation took more $$ control of careers respectfully.

Pacquaio's move away from Arum was the right thing for him but that would probably not be the case for most of Arum's fighters. Some fighters really are special and to get paid what they think they are worth could mean changing promoters. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence but it only actually is for just a special few.

[KTFOKING]

200-250k is low for them. They could have done better in a non-covid affected PPV.

LSC is Mexican-American, again, he has a whole country of supporters plus Mexican-American support.

Gervonta Davis is a very controversial character out-of-the-ring and a KO artist inside the ring. He is also advertised by Floyd Mayweather Jr on his social media, which he has 7.8 million followers.

The top 3 active boxers on twitter (by followers) are:

Anthony Joshua: 3.1mill
Manny Pacquiao: 2.6mill
Tyson Fury: 1.6mill

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s 7.8million followers are more followers than the top 3 active boxers combined. This is who promotes and advertises Davis.

You're going to need to stop with the whole country behind him. Nothing about Leo's past gates or ratings show he is a big star. Is he a name? Sure, but don't make him out to be DLH or Canelo because he is not.

I think 200-225k was in the right range of what you would expect. Maybe slightly more, but not like that fight with or without Covid-19 was ever going to do 500k buys or anything.

If you make Spence vs Crawford for say May 2021, I am very confident it can do in the 400k range.

How many buys do you think Spence vs DSG does?