How is Manny Pacquiao still elite at age 40?

[Vinnykin]

We have a to remember Pac is an ATG, so even a faded version is good enough to at least compete with top younger fighters.

I don’t really see him beating a younger very athletic guy like Crawford at this point but if Pac has the right opponent like Broner that is flat footed and low volume, then his talent ceiling is so high that he can still win even at 40.

As for the Thurman fight, I’m really sceptical how good that version of Thurman was. He looked poor in the fight before and looks like a guy that’s had multiple injuries. I think we would need to see Thurman fight some decent guys again to really judge.

I think that Thurman fight probably gives a bit of a false illusion of Pac being right near the top of the division, but he’s still somewhere up there for now.

I agree....... and being a fan of Pac for 15 years, I really don't wanna see him in with Crawford or Spence, who will destroy him if he gets caught.

Pacquaio is still good but he really has no business at the elite level at nearly 42 years old.

Thurman was inactive, carrying injuries, and nearly got dropped in the previous fight and looked like shiat...... and Pacquaio could not finish him due to gassing later in the fight.

Maybe just me, but I hate to see old guys still fighting, unless it's some crossover or exhibition type stuff.

Would any one put Pacquaio in with Crawford and not feel bad about it..... when he's 42?

Pacquaio has been slowly fading for years, and Thurman losing to him just proved he was done even earlier.

[boxinggod101]

[GrandpaBernard]

God.

Seriously, everyone is made different: some guys, like Kell Brook, have really short primes and are shot within a few years. Others, like Hopkins, seem to be able to go on forever.

Pacquiao, through his years of VADA tests, has proven he’s clean. It’s beyond working hard or working smart, he’s just gifted. Same goes for Floyd; if he was still fighting he might have a loss, but he’d still be right in the mix.

Skills and matchmaking

manny at his age beating Keef up was impressive

Who would have thought manny has that kind of longevity with his style. Turns out manny able to last

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Pacquaio is still good but he really has no business at the elite level at nearly 42 years old.

Maybe just me, but I hate to see old guys still fighting, unless it's some crossover or exhibition type stuff.

Would any one put Pacquaio in with Crawford and not feel bad about it..... when he's 42?

Pacquaio has been slowly fading for years, and Thurman losing to him just proved he was done even earlier.

Stop being a wimp

Let's just enjoy this generation's Hearns vs Duran

[Vinnykin]

Stop being a wimp

Let's just enjoy this generation's Hearns vs Duran

P4P numero uno's calling out 42-year-old faded fighters.

Crawford/Spence is the fight to make....... beating an old Pacquaio gets you no praise from me.

He's faded, working as a senator, inactive.

Get real.

[Bostonfear]

He fought for 12 rounds wdym he only fought 6-7 rounds?

It was Thurman who said he only woke up in the 7th round. He saw the ring girl holding a round 7 card and asked his coach why she holding a 7 when it's still only round 5
check out that video from fighthype when he said that
thurman funny af

Even when Thurman woke up, Pac still won 3 rounds in the second half.

It's mind boggling considering Thurman is the 2nd or 3rd hardest hitter in the welterweight division. Had a 75% KO rate before the Pac fight. About the same KO rate as Crawford is now.

What the current generation of welterweight is lacking is FOOTWORK!

One round in that Pac-Thurman fight had more footwork than the entire Crawford-Benavidez fight or Spence-Mikey fight.

Thurman had the second best footwork just behind Manny

Fought 6-7 rounds before tiring, fading getting exhausted. Pac handily won the first half of the fight, and lost the second half.

Youre right it is very impressive what Pac did, there is not doubt. His skills speed is all still there.

But his work-rate and stamina is shot. Over time his work rate has always been dropping, but its at the point, I can't seem him doing to well if the fight gets into the second half.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Fought 6-7 rounds before tiring, fading getting exhausted. Pac handily won the first half of the fight, and lost the second half.

Youre right it is very impressive what Pac did, there is not doubt. His skills speed is all still there.

But his work-rate and stamina is shot. Over time his work rate has always been dropping, but its at the point, I can't seem him doing to well if the fight gets into the second half.

Pac threw 686 punches against Thurman wdym his work rate is shot


For context, what people here considered the best welterweight, which is Spence, threw only 745 punches against Porter who was coming at him throughout the fight.


Pac in his 40s and has the same output as Spence with a difference of 1% point

[Mike D]

Because Manny is one of the most rare and special fighters in the entire history of the sport.

He is human though, and time eventually catches up with all. Even Michael Jordan looked human at the end, despite even a shell of his former self was still good enough to average around 20 points per game and was still better than 80% of the rest of the league.

[Bostonfear]

Pac threw 686 punches against Thurman wdym his work rate is shot


For context, what people here considered the best welterweight, which is Spence, threw only 745 punches against Porter who was coming at him throughout the fight.


Pac in his 40s and has the same output as Spence with a difference of 1% point

Comparing prime Pac to Thurman Pac. Pac used to throw 1000 punches. WTF does Spence have to do with?

And its the also the quality of the punches.

Its really bizarre that anyone could watch the fight and claim Pac did not get tired in the second half of the fight.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Comparing prime Pac to Thurman Pac. Pac used to throw 1000 punches. WTF does Spence have to do with?

And its the also the quality of the punches.

Its really bizarre that anyone could watch the fight and claim Pac did not get tired in the second half of the fight.

Lmao he was throwing hands at Thurman at the second half of that fight, how is that being "tired"??

Thurman adjusted in the second half, that's the real story. He himself said he only woke up in round 7. But y'all don't want to give Thurman his credit cos y'know, you rooting for the other dude