How is Manny Pacquiao still elite at age 40?

[eco1]

Lomachenko was psyched out before the fight by Lopez's confidence and bravado. Loma just could not understand how the heck this punk kid could be so confident about kicking his a55. Then the reality of how big Lopez is and how smart he boxes, using range to set up his power and control Loma and Loma had no answers. Then in the second half of the fight he pushed harder but it was not nearly enough, Lopez was the real deal.

Hagler's slow start vs Leonard - very suspect.

Thurman's slow start was contrary to all his other starts. He looked like a guy happy to get the big payday he was starving for.

Loma made Teo's knees buckle in the 9th if I remember correctly. There is a reason Teo doesn't want that rematch.

[Roadblock]

Loma made Teo's knees buckle in the 9th if I remember correctly. There is a reason Teo doesn't want that rematch.

Hmmm Loma should be able to hurt him nothing special about that at this level, overall Loma was getting bullied, I think Teo will stop him if the fight again, Im impartial I like both guys thats just how I see it, Loma is too small for big 135 guys that are elite, he be way better off at 130.

[KidDinamita]

I remember Bradley said that Pacquiao didn't hit as hard and that his killer instinct was gone.

And more cautious with his punches and attack

[Inspired]

he's been on peds most his career
simple
against thurman he wasnt even drug tested. thurman didnt make an issue out of it because he wanted the payday

[BoxingIsGreat]

Because the current division is talent poor, with matchups feeling exciting because they are evenly matched

The sad thing is that they are all equally as poor, and promoted very well

At one point, Welterweight had dominant Floyd, dominant Pacquiao, Marquez, Bradley... then slightly before you had the Shane Mosley and Cottos in there. Night and day difference

I feel the same about superwelter in Tito-Vargas era. That fight is edged in my memory. Comparatively, this era is too weak in all divisions. Nothing to really remember.

Green K.

[TheUptownKid]

Slow starts are always suspect, especially when it's the biggest fight of his life.

Haymon's franchise was Pac not Thurman. Haymon wanted to milk Pac to save for his planned franchise Spence.

Haymon did not want Thurman to win the fight because Thurman does not sell. Pac SELLS. Who knows. But when Haymon is involved you have to follow the long term money. His in house "fights" always follow the business plan for long term revenues. In case you weren't sharp enough to notice.

Haymon key assets NEVER lose in house PBC set ups. Never.

Harrison-Charlo, Williams-Hurd are two from pbc off the top of my head that were in house and upsets.

[TheUptownKid]

The fact we're here wondering, is the reason why Pac is top 5 all time

I love manny, he is an ATG and has had one of the best careers overall of all time, but no way is he a top 5. I genuinely don’t think he beats any of the four horsemen or Floyd. Hagler was a mw but the other 4 beat manny in my eyes.

[hugh grant]

I love manny, he is an ATG and has had one of the best careers overall of all time, but no way is he a top 5. I genuinely don’t think he beats any of the four horsemen or Floyd. Hagler was a mw but the other 4 beat manny in my eyes.

You are entitled to your opinion thanks for it.
But after all hes done he's still elite also he is top 5 in many people's opinion.
H2h is another topic and not too relevant

[Monzon99]

Harrison-Charlo, Williams-Hurd are two from pbc off the top of my head that were in house and upsets.

Then it was by design by haymon.

Haymon rigs everything. That's why he doesn't bother to show up and watch his wwf fake shows live, he knows the outcomes of everything.

[JakeTheBoxer]

But people ( haters) still say 35 old de la Hoya was not a big win for Pacquiao, lol. And that 40 old Mosley was a bad win, but 39 old Mosley was a good win for Mayweather.