WHY EVERYONE SHOULD CARE ABOUT TANK DAVIS GLOVE SWITCH, It PERTAINS TO WILDER!!!!!!!

[TheBoxGod]

There are some major flaws in this theory.

The back up gloves are retained by the commission after the first choice gloves are laced up. The gloves can only be swapped in the presence of supervising officials from the commission and the sanctioning bodies whose belts are being contested.

After supervising the wrapping and gloving up processes, the commission and sanctioning body officials remain with the fighters, in their dressing rooms, until they leave for the ring.

After the fight, the gloves can only be removed in the presence of a supervising official, and they must then be handed over immediately so that they can be checked again for signs of tampering, egg weights, horse shoes, whatever.

I proved how the commissioners arent really competent to determine whats the acceptable range with gloves in the examples I used i.e. with the Maidana gloves and Wach glove where the commissioner have approved the gloves and the fighter's inspection rejected those gloves. So just because a commissioner approves em doesn't mean the gloves are up to par.

Fighters can and have tampered with gloves after being laced up and signed off and commissioners have not picked up on it.

Fighters wraps and gloves are given back to the commissioner to be inspected than release back to the fighters if they so chose. This process is not standardized, can be a glance inspection or a thoroughly inspection all up to the commissioners and I already proved how a commissioner can't even notice a subpar glove before a fight, so how are they going to be able to identify a subpar glove after it's been used in a fight?.

and to everyone else please stop red-lining/fixated on names, its the process we are discussing.

[Ochoa780]

The fact that this is following up wilder firing his trainer and using every excuse in the book throws all credibility out the window

You're missing out an important fact here.

Fighters have multiple pairs of gloves approved and pick one for the night. Fury and Tank are guilty of nothing

However Whyte used a pair which wasn't in the selection approved by Rivas' team and team Rivas weren't allowed bro check the gloves. Literally

Good post

I proved how the commissioners are really competent to determine whats the acceptable range with gloves in the examples I used i.e. with the Maidana gloves and Wach glove where the commissioner have approved the gloves and the fighter's inspection rejected those gloves. So just because a commissioner approves em doesn't mean the gloves are up to par.

Fighters can and have tampered with gloves after being laced up and signed off and commissioners have not picked up on it.

Fighters wraps and gloves are given back to the commissioner to be inspected than release back to the fighters if they so chose. This process is not standardized, can be a glance inspection or a thoroughly inspection all up to the commissioners and I already proved how a commissioner can't even notice a subpar glove before a fight how are they going to be able to identify a subpar glove after it's been used in a fight?.

and to everyone else please stop red-lining/fixated on names, its the process we are discussing.

So now they snuck it by the commission and forged the signature on the tape?

Come on..

The commission was there...

[TheBoxGod]

The fact that this is following up wilder firing his trainer and using every excuse in the book throws all credibility out the window



Good post


So now they snuck it by the commission and forged the signature on the tape?

Come on..

The commission was there...

These are just examples of what can possibly happen and has happened EVEN WITH THE COMMISSIONER THERE, so please stop being so fixated on a name or on a particular fighter and scrutinize the process that leaves lots to be had.

[Rick Taylor]

THIS IS A LONG READ, ONLY SERIOUS POSTER NEED JOIN. This is to expose the incompetence of the Boxing Commission more-so than attack a particular fighter.

TEAM LSC Inspecting/Watching for 1st version of gloves


No TEAM LSC to Inspecting/Watching for 2nd version of gloves


First off we are not debating the gloves. What we care about is the process that took place when they switched gloves.

Tank Davis putting on another pair of gloves is not an issue, the fighters pick 2 pairs of gloves at the selection table the day prior. The pair they want and a back up pair incase for whatever reason they no longer want to wear the first pair.

This is what appeared to happened, the motives are up in the air as to why but theirs inherently nothing really out of the ordinary with that particular situation.

The issue I have is that LSC team was not notified and was not able to oversee this process of them putting on, taping off and signing off on the Version 2/Back-up gloves. Basically Team Tank got to glove up without Team LSC inspecting it, reasons its wrong is because you're allowed to inspect it and Team LSC did elect to do this for the 1st version. The 1st version Team LSC had a representative in there watching them wrap, glove up and the commissioner sign off on the first pair. Team LSC representative saw no issues and left and then Team Tank switched out to the 2nd version and Team LSC representative was not notified to come RE-inspect that process.

So basically Team Tank put on a fake show for the Team LSC to inspect and approve and when Team LSC representative left they gloved up the real pair/the real way they really wanted without Team LSC approval. Thats how you can look at it and this is why boxing allows the opposite corner to inspect this process, for a fighters safety. Team Tank is a conflict of interest, the commissioner can be compromised/incompetent, so the fail-safe is your own team-mate to inspect the gloves and object to issues. Its a vital important process.

Imagine if Margarito gloved up in front of Brother ****m Richardson normally with no "bricks" and nothing foul and so theirs nothing to contest so Brother ****m Richardson approves it and leaves, but when he leaves Margarito decided "he didn't like the first pair of gloves" so he switches the gloves and without notifying Brother ****m Richardson/team Mosley he (Margarito) re-gloves without oversight from Brother ****m Richardson and comes into the fight with Who-Knows-What in his gloves. This is why this is a very important process. This is why you, me and everyone should be weary with how nonchalant people in the industry are taking this.

Here is a video demonstrating the importance of this process, Vital Klitschko catch Mariusz Wach with a bad pair of gloves with the padding missing that the commissioner was overseeing and was allowing Wach to glove up with, it wasn't till Vital Klitschko contested it that the commissioner was aware that the gloves weren't right.



Imagine if Mariusz Wach decided to glove up the good pair first and Vital Klitschko approves it and leaves then Wach decides he wants to conveniently switch to the other pair that are presummed tampered with and no one notifies Vital Klitschko to come inspect them?

Now proving moreso how flaky and incompetent the commissioners are, you guys remember Maidana gloves that were approved by the commissioner? and Floyd Mayweather had to pay 2 million so Maidana would wear different gloves?

These are it.


Now imagine Marcos Maidana shows up with regular gloves and Floyd Mayweather doesn't object, and when its time to inspect the process Team Madiana puts on a show to get Team Mayweather to approve the gloves/wraps with the dummy pair and when Team Mayweather representative leaves that when team Maidana decides to switch gloves and whip these subpar versions out? The commissioner would see nothing wrong with it and with no Team Mayweather oversight to say otherwise, Maidana would have walked into the ring with these subpar gloves. This is why you are supposed to notify the opposite team so they can come back and re-inspect. (keep in mind this is NSAC the best Boxing Commission in the sport)


Now to Wilder and the Fury Gloves Allegations.



Do we know if Fury Cheated? No

But do we know he didn't switch out his gloves after a Wilder Representative left? NO (remember they covered the cameras)

So could Fury have used this same technique of waiting till the other team representative leaves than switch out the gloves so you have no oversight over the new gloves?

This is why this process is so important and shouldn't be skirted and brushed off like it is by many people in the boxing world, like it is by many boxing reporters, Everyone keeps saying the gloves were approved by the commission but I just proved how that doesn't mean anything in this sport. The fighter needs his representative in there at all time when they are tampering, wrapping, taping, lacing the gloves because its for their own safety and security.

The Boxing Commissions should be held accountable for a lapse in proper protocol or a lack of proper protocol, the WBC should be held accountable for not having their own representative in there to be assured the fight goes on without any incidents that brings the event integrity into question (what are you getting fees for? if you can't even do that?).

excellent post. well researched and thought out.

Can’t read it all but got the gist and you bring up good points. It’s su****ious, but we simply don’t know. Someone should interview LSC and co. for their opinions. For all the help that’ll do.

But yea. The officials are very lax and it’s usually the fighter’s teams that really keep things in check, since they actually have to care about this sort of thing.

trusting a boxing official is like trusting a carnie.

[kafkod]

I proved how the commissioners arent really competent to determine whats the acceptable range with gloves in the examples I used i.e. with the Maidana gloves and Wach glove where the commissioner have approved the gloves and the fighter's inspection rejected those gloves. So just because a commissioner approves em doesn't mean the gloves are up to par.

Fighters can and have tampered with gloves after being laced up and signed off and commissioners have not picked up on it.

Fighters wraps and gloves are given back to the commissioner to be inspected than release back to the fighters if they so chose. This process is not standardized, can be a glance inspection or a thoroughly inspection all up to the commissioners and I already proved how a commissioner can't even notice a subpar glove before a fight, so how are they going to be able to identify a subpar glove after it's been used in a fight?.

and to everyone else please stop red-lining/fixated on names, its the process we are discussing.

You haven't proved anything though. All you did was give your opinion, which isn't even based on accurate info. There was nothing wrong with Maidanas gloves except that Floyd wanted him to wear a different brand. If the gloves were illegal, then why did Floyd have to pay Chino $1million to not wear them?

I'm 100 percent sure that Wach's gloves were ok too. The Klit's tried to do the same thing to Tyson Fury, to force him into wearing a pair of gloves he wasn't comfortable in. But Fury wouldn't back down and he ended up wearing the gloves he picked, not the ones the Klit's wanted him to wear.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Fury is a known cheat, to hear people absolutely ridiculing Wilder when there’s mountains of evidence that supports how much you can’t trust Fury tells me that lots of these people never liked Wilder from the get go and never did their homework on Fury!

Biggest cheat since Panama Lewis

[Ochoa780]

These are just examples of what can possibly happen and has happened EVEN WITH THE COMMISSIONER THERE, so please stop being so fixated on a name or on a particular fighter and scrutinize the process that leaves lots to be had.

I'm not fixated on anything, you keep saying "I proved" "I proved" you haven't proved anything lol

Have you given your opinion on things that COULDA happened? Yes. Have you made the same baseless accusations wilder has? Yes

You simply alluding to possibilities doesnt mean you've proven anything and leo santa Cruz or his team haven't accused anybody of any wrongdoing, they are taking their loss like more of a man than you are lol

[TheBoxGod]

You haven't proved anything though. All you did was give your opinion, which isn't even based on accurate info. There was nothing wrong with Maidanas gloves except that Floyd wanted him to wear a different brand. If the gloves were illegal, then why did Floyd have to pay Chino $1million to not wear them?

I'm 100 percent sure that Wach's gloves were ok too. The Klit's tried to do the same thing to Tyson Fury, to force him into wearing a pair of gloves he wasn't comfortable in. But Fury wouldn't back down and he ended up wearing the gloves he picked, not the ones the Klit's wanted him to wear.

My assessment and opinions are based on accurate information and situations that have occurred in boxing. Your problem is that you do not believe the fighters concern about gloves and excuse it as a non issue because you side with the commissioner when I have already proved how flawed and incompetent the Boxing Commissioners' inspections are and this is why a fighter is allowed to inspect the gloves process when they are being laced and taped up to catch what the possible inept commission misses.

i.e. Just because a glove/wrap is approved by the commissioner doesn't mean they are okay. Case and Point Luis Resto.
i.e. Just because a glove/wrap is approved by the commissioner doesn't mean they are okay. Case and Point Margarito.

See that's the fundamental flaw with you, is that you value your opinion above the fighters opinion and their safety concern.

and your viewpoint on wach/klits issue are assumptions/opinions. What we do know is that the commissioner agreed with Vitali that the gloves were subpar and had them change it. So its either you agree that the boxing commission are incompetent and that's why they saw a flaw with the gloves that you say were 100% ok gloves for Wach,, or you're saying that the boxing commission are competent so we shouldn't question them but then why did they see flaw with Wach gloves if they already approved them? and if Vitali can influence them to be so agreeable than doesn't that render them incompetent to perform their job? So if a greater fighter like Mayweather is there can't he not also influence the boxing Commissioner aswell to be agreeable?

This is why this process is so important and shouldn't be skirted and brushed off like it is by many people in the boxing world, like it is by many boxing reporters, Everyone keeps saying the gloves were approved by the commission but I just proved how that doesn't mean anything in this sport. The fighter needs his representative in there at all time when they are tampering, wrapping, taping, lacing the gloves whether it's the first pair, or the 100th pair etc because its for their own safety and security. The approval of the first pair wrap/glove up from the opposing team is not a blanket approval for rewrap/reglove of back up pairs and it does not mean just because they approved the first process they dont need to be present for the 2nd process.

[kafkod]

My assessment and opinions are based on accurate information and situations that have occurred in boxing. Your problem is that you do not believe the fighters concern about gloves and excuse it as a non issue because you side with the commissioner when I have already proved how flawed and incompetent the Boxing Commissioners' inspections are and this is why a fighter is allowed to inspect the gloves process when they are being laced and taped up to catch what the possible inept commission misses.

i.e. Just because a glove/wrap is approved by the commissioner doesn't mean they are okay. Case and Point Luis Resto.
i.e. Just because a glove/wrap is approved by the commissioner doesn't mean they are okay. Case and Point Margarito.

See that's the fundamental flaw with you, is that you value your opinion above the fighters opinion and their safety concern.

and your viewpoint on wach/klits issue are assumptions/opinions. What we do know is that the commissioner agreed with Vitali that the gloves were subpar and had them change it. So its either you agree that the boxing commission are incompetent and that's why they saw a flaw with the gloves that you say were 100% ok gloves for Wach,, or you're saying that the boxing commission are competent so we shouldn't question them but then why did they see flaw with Wach gloves if they already approved them? and if Vitali can influence them to be so agreeable than doesn't that render them incompetent to perform their job? So if a greater fighter like Mayweather is there can't he not also influence the boxing Commissioner aswell to be agreeable?

This is why this process is so important and shouldn't be skirted and brushed off like it is by many people in the boxing world, like it is by many boxing reporters, Everyone keeps saying the gloves were approved by the commission but I just proved how that doesn't mean anything in this sport. The fighter needs his representative in there at all time when they are tampering, wrapping, taping, lacing the gloves whether it's the first pair, or the 100th pair etc because its for their own safety and security. The approval of the first pair wrap/glove up from the opposing team is not a blanket approval for rewrap/reglove of back up pairs and it does not mean just because they approved the first process they dont need to be present for the 2nd process.

You haven't proved anything! You're just giving your opinion, and it isn't even based on accurate or proven info.

How do you know that commissions are allowing fighters to switch gloves without notifying opponents or giving them a chance to oversee the job? That's just speculation on your part.

Here's some relevant info you are obviously not aware of - the present procedures and protocols around hand wraps and gloves were introduced after the Luis Resto and Margarito scandals in order to make it impossible for fighters and trainers to pull dirty tricks like that again.

[kafkod]

Fury is a known cheat, to hear people absolutely ridiculing Wilder when there’s mountains of evidence that supports how much you can’t trust Fury tells me that lots of these people never liked Wilder from the get go and never did their homework on Fury!

Biggest cheat since Panama Lewis

And what about Mark Breland? Is he a known cheat too? Wilder throwing Breland under the bus because he can't take defeat like a man is de****able.