Comments Thread For: Jermall Charlo-Sergiy Derevyanchenko - Official Scorecards

[TonyGe]

Don’t change the narrative and stop hiding my quotes to save face. People can scroll back and learn you don’t know ***** about boxing.

And you can't read...

[Fire4231]

Yawn. I gave you specifics, which you didn't even attempt to refute. Instead, you're stating the same factless drivel as before while dropping F bombs and saying I'm upset? If you can't hold an argument, don't bother.

Bro... You can posture but there is no content to your message. People can read.

I know it is ****ing with you so let’s say it again. There will always be an asterisk on GGG’s Legacy because as soon as he stepped up in competition he looked bad and the media claimed his prime wore off. Too bad GGG didn’t take tougher challenges in his prime. Now it just looks like he was overhyped.

[Fire4231]

And you can't read...

Lol... As I was so eloquently saying, GGG will always have an asterisk because he looked bad as soon he stepped up in competition.

Some would even say he took a loss every time he stepped up. The protective Media then seemed to say he lost his prime to save face. Yet DAZN invested more money than he ever made into a post prime fighter?

What’s even worst is they then said he regained his prime fighting an out of work and too small Vanes Matirosyan. Then somehow lost it again fighting Canelo in the second fight? After Derevychenko whooped him he now has no prime left. But the next bum he fights will make him look like a viscous rolling pin again. It’s comical to see the media posture to protect his image.

Too bad GGG didn’t fight so many mediocre middle of the road and complete bum fighters. There may be one so called “prime,” fight you guys could point to that shows he had more capability then than now. But his matchmakers took no risks and he doesn’t have one strong boxer puncher with quick feet on his win list.

The simple truth has no response. That’s why you both put your track shoes on an fled. Let’s keep the posturing going clowns. As if people can’t read that you aren’t making any valid points. Just doing the boxingscene thing and hiding behind smoke screens as fake as your idols top 25 in the past 25 years status.

GGG is a very good fighter, but we will never know that he was an all time great because his resume is so flimsy when you put light to it... it burns.

[Fire4231]

You should go and actually watch those fights. He looked like crap against both of them before the KOs. The physical decline is easy to see, sadly.

For example, in the fights vs. Steven and Geale, he was clearly not afraid to take a shot in order to return one. Now? He always covers up and backs up. Done this since Brook/Jacobs. Jacobs was his first step up. Jacobs is a boxer puncher. GGG got stunned once but he walked through Brook the same way during that fight. Not sure why you have him in there. Murray stunned him the same way. Both had the movement to hit him repeatedly. It has been his Achilles heal. Jacobs is a knockout puncher with similar power Of course he wasn’t walking through that. He is human.

In 2014-2016, his jabbing, specifically counterjabbing, was at ATG level (here's a video). He destroyed Lemieux with the jab in 15. Here we go again, nothing changed. He still has a great jab against stationary targets. Isn’t power the last thing to go?

He dominated Canelo in the 1st fight with the jab, even though Canelo had faster hands in every other department. He dominated Jacobs with the jab, despite Danny being significantly longer. B]No he didn’t, he broke even with Canelo in the first fight. Jacobs was beating him backwards as the fight went on. Landing the cleaner more aggressive shots. That’s why there was no rematch. In other words stop lying bro. He hasn’t dominated one fighter on his level. Arguably he has lost all but the first Canelo. Despite what your imagination allowed you to see.

Now? In the 2nd Canelo fight, he was getting countered off the jab constantly. Yep and he lost that fight.Against Rolls, he barely jabbed, mostly unsuccessfully. Looked like the same GGG to me. Against Derevyanchenko, his jab was kinda there, but it surely wasn't a deterrent it used to be. Ironically y’all making excuses for a loss to Derevyanchenko when Derevyanchenko also beat him at least once in the amateurs. Was GGG PRE- Prime then? And with the wars Sergiy has been in what makes him so much more prime than GGG?

Several fighters are on public record stating they have no interest to fight him in his prime. From Froch's "avoid him like the plague", Canelo giving up the belt in 2015, Sergio saying hell no, BJ Saunders saying he needs 18 months, Jermall having absolutely no interest in him until last year, etc. List goes on. What does that have to do with anything? What about the fighters like Laura and Ward that we’re calling him out? The boogie man didn’t want no parts of the boogie. Stop you just look foolish. A boxer is proven by the fight he takes, not the fighters that were ducking him. Not as if Carl Froch was prime at the time anyway.


We'll never know how prime G would have measured up against someone like Floyd, Ward, or Canelo, and that's a true shame for the sport. But don't come even try with "he got a bit older". Funny you say that because Both Lara and Ward called him out. In what y’all are calling his prime. No action came of it. No promoter call was made. HBO even tried to put Kovalev on Ward to protect him.

Most great fighters have already retired by the time G got his first shot.

Most bad fighters, GGG is only 38 today. You guys wanted Floyd to move up practically two weight classes and fight GGG. Some how that was fair but GGG can hold a belt and not even fight the top guys in his division? Bro... your commentary is all over the place. In a vacuum it seems logical but pull out to the objective view and it’s a bunch biased double standards. There is no proof outside of his fans and media’s wavering eyeball test that GGG Would have been able to win had he fought Jacobs, Canelo and Derevychenko earlier. Him not blocking and walking through punches may have helped him get knocked out for the first time. In that case improved skills are showing up as declining prime. They are going to teach home to fight at Kronk. He will not be walking through punches.

[TonyGe]

Lol... As I was so eloquently saying, GGG will always have an asterisk because he looked bad as soon he stepped up in competition.

Some would even say he took a loss every time he stepped up. The protective Media then seemed to say he lost his prime to save face. Yet DAZN invested more money than he ever made into a post prime fighter?

What’s even worst is they then said he regained his prime fighting an out of work and too small Vanes Matirosyan. Then somehow lost it again fighting Canelo in the second fight? After Derevychenko whooped him he now has no prime left. But the next bum he fights will make him look like a viscous rolling pin again. It’s comical to see the media posture to protect his image.

Too bad GGG didn’t fight so many mediocre middle of the road and complete bum fighters. There may be one so called “prime,” fight you guys could point to that shows he had more capability then than now. But his matchmakers took no risks and he doesn’t have one strong boxer puncher with quick feet on his win list.

The simple truth has no response. That’s why you both put your track shoes on an fled. Let’s keep the posturing going clowns. As if people can’t read that you aren’t making any valid points. Just doing the boxingscene thing and hiding behind smoke screens as fake as your idols top 25 in the past 25 years status.

GGG is a very good fighter, but we will never know that he was an all time great because his resume is so flimsy when you put light to it... it burns.

No it doesn't burn. He's a good fighter one of the top Middleweights in the last 25 years. Cripes even Hagler who I think is an ATG struggled at times. He was in a surprisingly competitive battle with Duran who moved up from LW. Lost officially against Leonard a WW. Mugabi who moved up from JM was competitive against him untill he got wore down. He had some loses when he was a contender. Like I said it's rare that a top fighter steamrolls other top fighters in their division. Hopkins resume at Middleweight was not filled with great Middleweight opponents.

[Fire4231]

No it doesn't burn. He's a good fighter one of the top Middleweights in the last 25 years. Cripes even Hagler who I think is an ATG struggled at times. He was in a surprisingly competitive battle with Duran who moved up from LW. Lost officially against Leonard a WW. Mugabi who moved up from JM was competitive against him untill he got wore down. He had some loses when he was a contender. Like I said it's rare that a top fighter steamrolls other top fighters in their division. Hopkins resume at Middleweight was not filled with great Middleweight opponents.

Having a tough fight with the great Roberto Duran Who is in many peoples top 10 fighters of all time is wayyyy.... different from struggling with Jacobs and Derevychenko. Canelo isn’t even anywhere near Duran.

Where is the comparison? One set of guys struggled with the best to ever do it and won GGG struggled with guys in his weight class not even considered the best in there division and arguably lost. Not quite the same thing?

[Boxing-1013]

Having a tough fight with the great Roberto Duran Who is in many peoples top 10 fighters of all time is wayyyy.... different from struggling with Jacobs and Derevychenko. Canelo isn’t even anywhere near Duran.

Where is the comparison? One set of guys struggled with the best to ever do it and won GGG struggled with guys in his weight class not even considered the best in there division and arguably lost. Not quite the same thing?

You must not have read his post past the Duran part. Try reading it again instead of continuing pointless conversations.

[Boxing-1013]

[B]Lol... As I was so eloquently saying, GGG will always have an asterisk because he looked bad as soon he stepped up in competition.

Some would even say he took a loss every time he stepped up.

Anyone who says that any fight for GGG other than Dervy wasn't a clear win, either DKSAB or, more likely, they have a serious axe to grind with him. You can underperform relative to (some) expectations but still clearly win. Happens all the time in boxing/sports.

[TonyGe]

Having a tough fight with the great Roberto Duran Who is in many peoples top 10 fighters of all time is wayyyy.... different from struggling with Jacobs and Derevychenko. Canelo isn’t even anywhere near Duran.

Where is the comparison? One set of guys struggled with the best to ever do it and won GGG struggled with guys in his weight class not even considered the best in there division and arguably lost. Not quite the same thing?

Yeah its the same thing.

[Fire4231]

You must not have read his post past the Duran part. Try reading it again instead of continuing pointless conversations.

No I read it, GGG’s comp has not been on Hagler’s comp level and he still can’t win. Shut up clown.